Can we at least get better stun mitigations for CI now?

Give us an amulet or something with better stats but have it give unwavering stance or something. Being relegated to using chalupa on almost every CI build feels really bad.
Dernier bump le 7 juil. 2017 à 10:33:02
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hahaha you said chalupa that's awesome.
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Brine King: You cannot be Stunned if you've been Stunned Recently

There's your stun mitigation.
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Brine King: You cannot be Stunned if you've been Stunned Recently

There's your stun mitigation.


Getting stunned once every 4 seconds won't cut in high level maps imo. Damage comes in to fast. It's not like freeze where you can have good reflexes to hit a flask or even hit the flask preemptively. Though maybe investing is enough into stun recovery could make it work.

And I can't remember where the joke came from. I think a friend heard it somewhere so everything chayula related is now chalupa.
Dernière édition par gladiatorpie#3317, le 5 juil. 2017 à 14:42:28
If you want stun immunity you have to pay for it somewhere. Chalupa is an option. So's a Valyrium ring. So're Kaom's Roots (sort of). So're Skyforths, if you have more money than God. The Brine King's buff gives you some leeway.

Asking for stun immunity without having to give up anything for it on a CI build, especially when CI has been so crushingly dominant for so long and, to the best of my knowledge, is STILL being considered superior to a typical life build...seems a bit petulant.

Either do layered stun mitigation, a'la Brine King/Lab boot enchant/Practical Application in the tree/ES' native stun avoidance, and deal with occasionally being stunned the way most life builds do, or use one of the crappy anti-stun uniques. You don't get to have an amulet or whatever that gives you everything you need for a CI build AND ALSO grants total stun immunity.
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Dernière édition par 1453R#7804, le 5 juil. 2017 à 14:59:07
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1453R a écrit :
If you want stun immunity you have to pay for it somewhere. Chalupa is an option. So's a Valyrium ring. So're Kaom's Roots (sort of). So're Skyforths, if you have more money than God. The Brine King's buff gives you some leeway.

Asking for stun immunity without having to give up anything for it on a CI build, especially when CI has been so crushingly dominant for so long and, to the best of my knowledge, is STILL being considered superior to a typical life build...seems a bit petulant.

Either do layered stun mitigation, a'la Brine King/Lab boot enchant/Practical Application in the tree/ES' native stun avoidance, and deal with occasionally being stunned the way most life builds do, or use one of the crappy anti-stun uniques. You don't get to have an amulet or whatever that gives you everything you need for a CI build AND ALSO grants total stun immunity.


I never asked for godly rare stats just an option for something a bit better. It can have a downside like unwavering stance or minus to resistances but with decent offensive stats. Or good defensive stats but reductions to cast or spell damage.

And on the note of CI being dominant for so long, getting all these nerfs seems like a good time to introduce more interesting anti stun options.
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gladiatorpie a écrit :
...seems like a good time to introduce more interesting anti stun options.


Valyrium - Negative cold resistance to be overcome, boon to fire resistance, minorish ES gains, flips stun threshold to work off ES instead of Life. Weak overall, but also not as negatively impactful as other options

Eye of Chalupa - Simply "Cannot be Stunned - The Amulet". Has literally no other purpose and thus is a fantastic target for Vaaling to fish for that sweet sweet +1 Curse, but otherwise is a hard stop to stun issues at the cost of basically not having an amulet

Kaom's Roots - Wearable Unwavering Stance. Comes with steep penalties, but also includes Chill/Freeze mitigation in its "cannot be slowed below base speed, so solves CI's OTHER big lack-of-life issue. The huge life roll does you no good and the lack of both sockets and movement speed sucks, but this one item deals with all of CI's issues in one slot.

Skyforth - One of, if not the, single most individually overpowered items in the game, built specifically to give CI/Low-Life builds every mod they could ever possibly want in one single item. Drawback: nothing whatsoever beyond the fact that it costs more money than most PoE players will ever see.

Kiara's Determination - Stun immunity in a bottle! Chill/Freeze immunity, too! Tends to be mad expensive, but with CI taking all those whacks, CI's favorite items will probably drop in price. Requires a bit more paying-attention to utilize properly, but also gives you back all your item slots.

Ezomyte Hold - Even more shitty budget stun immunity! if you can't find/afford one of these, you're doing it wrong!

Actually Unwavering Stance - Stun immunity in the tree! Why wear US when you can just take it, instead? Pathing out that way sucks, but it means you can wear regular boots, a regular amulet, and still be stun immune!

Practical Application...
Antistun-on-Kill Merc...
Antistun-on-Kill Uber...
Energy Shield's Innate Antistun...



In summation: how many "interesting anti-stun options" do you need? What're you fishing for? They've pretty much already covered the gamut; if you're on a budget, do Chalupa or Valyrium. If you're on an absolutely ridiculous budget and can somehow tolerate the ES loss from a red helm, Ezomyte Hold. If you're Mathil, buy Skyforth. If you're bwteeen Budget and Mathil, running Flaskfinder, and/or have a good trigger finer, get a Kiara's Determination. Actually going to Unwavering Stance can be beneficial for certain builds (convert the Strength along the way into Intelligence for CI Whispering Ice builds, for example). If you don't like any of those, run Merc Lab until you get Antistun on Kill 2, snag Practical Application, and just tough it out.

What else is possibly missing?

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Dernière édition par 1453R#7804, le 5 juil. 2017 à 15:49:12
CI is pretty trash post 3.0.

With that said there are anti stun nodes on the tree and a helmet enchant that when combined with the brine king spec will heavily mitigate stuns.
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I'm going to be completely honest I didn't know Kira's determination existed until now. That's actually exactly what I'm looking for. Requires smart use but gives me the item slots I want.

Got a new thing to work towards in the beta now.
Dernière édition par gladiatorpie#3317, le 5 juil. 2017 à 16:07:43
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gladiatorpie a écrit :
not like freeze where you can have good reflexes to hit a flask or even hit the flask preemptively.


The preemptive thing you do is positioning and misdirection, both things most fast players try to build out of... Because living on the edge makes for a higher ladder rank, as long as you don't die.

I'm not claiming Brine King is enough, but I'm willing to give it a chance to settle in so we have a real opportunity to judge its effectiveness. Also figuring that having minions as CI just became a lot more desirable for plenty of other reasons.
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I don't have alpha access, that was a LONG time ago.
Dernière édition par Zakaluka#1191, le 5 juil. 2017 à 16:22:48

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