Heavy strike, it exists but it doesn't.

It's obviously meant to be a single target skill so use it as such.

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Raudram a écrit :

It's obviously meant to be a single target skill so use it as such.

And Melee Splash is meant to be...?

Bah, Heavy Strike goes up to 52% chance to deal double damage with helmet enchant (Abyssus or Devoto's are quite useful until going for a BiS rare) and with a Empire's Grasp with Vulnerability on hit is quite manageable if you're gunning for single target damage in a 5/6L, even when RT dual wielding.

It's the most impactful single target namelocking skill.

No questions asked.

But it also requires additional means to deal with the "trash". And up to tier 14-15 maps you can do with a goddamn Lightning Strike + Melee Phys + Multistrike + Innervate/Phys to lightning if you want to have 100% conversion and keep Heavy Strike fully phys - Brutality + the new supports from 3.0 Beta are very enticing this way.

You just have to rely on great gear and optimise the skill tree to make that option work.

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sofocle10000 a écrit :

Bah, Heavy Strike goes up to 52% chance to deal double damage with helmet enchant (Abyssus or Devoto's are quite useful until going for a BiS rare) and with a Empire's Grasp with Vulnerability on hit is quite manageable if you're gunning for single target damage in a 5/6L, even when RT dual wielding.

It's the most impactful single target namelocking skill.

No questions asked.

But it also requires additional means to deal with the "trash". And up to tier 14-15 maps you can do with a goddamn Lightning Strike + Melee Phys + Multistrike + Innervate/Phys to lightning if you want to have 100% conversion and keep Heavy Strike fully phys - Brutality + the new supports from 3.0 Beta are very enticing this way.

You just have to rely on great gear and optimise the skill tree to make that option work.

You got a point there. I will still choose Warchief totem for single target though, freeing up my glove slot and 2 jewel sockets.
Hopefully 3.0 contents will make this skill worth playing.

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MinasMorgul a écrit :

IIRC, Chris once said that figuring out which gems are good and which are not so good is part of the desired poe-experience.
Could have been an lazy excuse for not wanting to balance them out.

Highlighted the reality part of it. They do not care about balance in this game or they'd make an effort to fix stuff like this, it wouldn't be hard.

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鬼殺し a écrit :

I was dwelling on this recently.

You know what all the problem gems have in common?

None of them are quest rewards. Most are found on the beach and replaced the moment you hit Lioneye's Watch. Forever.

I think Splash is almost a curio by now. I could rattle off all the inherently AoE melee skills we're given but what's the point? You all know what they are.

Heavy strike, double strike, glacial hammer...they're artefacts. Antiques. You can polish them up, take them out on Sundays to show them off to the other nutjobs who give a shit about these things, and you can tune them up to their peak performance for some surprising results...but they'll never seriously compete with a modern cheap model.

So what? I still get a sense of awe when I see someone driving around in a pristine, clearly loved classic car. Good for them!

Or we could use one of the billion suggestions that have been made in the past and you know, actually fix melee skills. God help us all if that were to happen, melee in POE? Nah.

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鬼殺し a écrit :

I was dwelling on this recently.

You know what all the problem gems have in common?

None of them are quest rewards. Most are found on the beach and replaced the moment you hit Lioneye's Watch. Forever.

I think Splash is almost a curio by now. I could rattle off all the inherently AoE melee skills we're given but what's the point? You all know what they are.

Heavy strike, double strike, glacial hammer...they're artefacts. Antiques. You can polish them up, take them out on Sundays to show them off to the other nutjobs who give a shit about these things, and you can tune them up to their peak performance for some surprising results...but they'll never seriously compete with a modern cheap model.

So what? I still get a sense of awe when I see someone driving around in a pristine, clearly loved classic car. Good for them!

I do believe that a reworked Melee Splash gem will improve things though

I don't see how it makes any sense to slap melee splash support on one of the best single-target skills (that are obviously meant to be boss killers) and complain it doesn't cover the whole screen.

Just because no one wants a button devoted to attacking a single Target on their hotbar.

We all want a single button to mash for every imaginable scenario.

One button builds, SMH... Charan, you seeing what I meant about one button builds?

Edit: two things that need done. One: replace the knockback effect with some kind of bonus to stun chance. Two: more mechanics like bloodlust to make true single target skillchains worth something. (Perhaps one that has simpler conditions)

Edit: third thing. Really strong aoe skills that are just terrible for boss DPS help. A la sunder.

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Raudram a écrit :

I don't see how it makes any sense to slap melee splash support on one of the best single-target skills (that are obviously meant to be boss killers) and complain it doesn't cover the whole screen.

Never mentioned the "whole screen AOE".
I played it for quite some time, melee splash i mean. And the most annoying thing is that I miss one or two monsters in a pack, then have to click one more time toward it.

Cleave has somewhat similar AOE, yet people still play it a lot. I personally enjoy cleave too.
As mentioned, I only play melee skills, and meta map clearing skills arent my thing.

P/S: used to play dual strike gladiator to level 90, it was fun.

If anything is to be taken from the 3.0 Beta change of doubling bosses HP, having a optimised 5/6L for single targeting when playing even namelocking melee will be extraordinary impactful, as long as you can clear all the other monsters (normal and magic ones) with a 4L/pseudo 5L.

It will improve the experience of the the single target focused skills by allowing them to keep fights shorter that your regular 5/6L to kill everything. And that is a great improvement already.

Not to mention that even on my main build, I could hover around 100K dual wield RT Heavy Strike damage, with more than 200K fully buffed (when flasked + dual cursing -Vulnerability on Hit + Punishment - I could end up with a flat 500K), and up to 52% chance to hit 400K damage (or up to 1M damage) on a goddamn dual wield RT Juggernaut. And that amount per each second of the fight will still make short work of even double health pool bosses, maybe even feel better than my current Static Strike + Lightning Strike combo...

Single target namelocking melee don't need intrinsic splash, they need you to encounter worthy rares - like 5 modded essence ones - scary Exiles and bosses, so that you will be encouraged to have a great single target melting option that is DIFFERENT from your regular "trash mobs" disposal skills.

That's it. Those skills need to get their identity back. And be the best at what they do, and killing difficult single targets in a visceral plethora of impactful hits, should have been their purpose all along...