How about a "Casual Self Found" option for the casual player?

Greetings everyone,

obviously this is a delicate topic for this player base, but this seriously could get path of exile a lot new players. So please guys, have an open mind and really think about what the following could mean for the wohle player base, you, and the game in general. In the end something like this is good for everyone if those people start investing time and in money in PoE.

So here is the deal:

Why not make a casual self found mode with better droprate for the player who doesn't want to farm hours and hours but still loves PoE because it's the best action rpg around?


This mode is exactly like the self found mode, but has increased drop chance for better items to be able to achieve more in a shorter time frame.

It won't impact any existing players negativly, because all these characters are separated. Even from the normal self found ones.

It attracts a bigger crowd of people who stopped playing or shied away because "it's too hardcore / too much time investment with a high chance to receive nothing back"


edit: oh dammit, lost almost all my post because of the stupid list command... have to re type everything.

How about players realize that they can play the game casually and do just fine with the drops they get? They wont get items as easily as traders do, but they can still play the game just fine.

Players need to realize that GGG will never directly increase drop rates for any league that has the ability to transfer into a different standard league. Either standard Softcore or standard Hardcore.

"But why?" I hear you asking. Let me elaborate, and be explicitly clear why it won't happen:

Increased drop rates in a league like the current SSF Leagues that exist today would allow players to easily "farm" these leagues and then just transfer all of their collected goodies to parent leagues where they can sell them to make profit.

Indeed, why bother playing other leagues, in fact, when an SSF league would allow you to completely negate the entire trading factor? The inconvenience of having to pay for goods and services would go out of the window. The chase uniques like Shavronne's Wrappings, Kaom's Heart, Skyforth, Death's Door all become uncommon drops instead of rare.

For anyone that bots, "CSF" as you put it, is now a gold mine of opportunity. The usual effort that would need to be applied to the game (all the hours required to farm) would now be hilariously shortened.

If you want to play a "CSF" league, then play one of the many Flashback leagues that occur every now and then. Or Legacy while you still have the opportunity.

For some insane reason Flashback leagues aren't voided, and Legacy was purposefully given to players as a gift - a final "hurrah" and celebration of PoE's past before 3.0 hits.

Flashback and Legacy are the only way you'll see such intense drop rate increases (because of the mechanics of the leagues, not actual base rates increased) and manage to hold onto your items.

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

How about players realize that they can play the game casually and do just fine with the drops they get? They wont get items as easily as traders do, but they can still play the game just fine.

This.

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Fasut_2 a écrit :

Why not make a casual self found mode with better droprate for the player who doesn't want to farm hours and hours but still loves PoE because it's the best action rpg around?

Because they don't want to...drop rate isn't that bad anyway, YOU just want an excuse to get more loot for no good reason.

hate to be that guy but it really seems like Diablo 3 would be a better game to play, free numbers increases all around all day every day until you hit the cap, and you hit the cap pretty fast from what i've heard and experienced

You really dont need to increase droprates to make SSF more accessible, you just need to adjust your mentality.

a. Start with a generic build (melee slayer/spellcaster/raider etc.)
b. If you complete "unique item bingo", you earned yourself a new character.
c. Craft a lot.
d. If you have set your sight on a specific build and already have several of the key items to get it going, consider chancing the missing pieces.

That is all.

Quite honestly, people that cant manage SSF as is, with current droprates wont be able to do it with increased drops either. It usually means you are trying to brute-force it, as opposed to adjust to what you get. (and brute forcing does work, it just doesnt if you are casual.)

Game is easy enough for casuals as is.

I should know, since I'm one of those people who works 9-5 and so during weekdays I only get to play 1-2 hours if I'm lucky. Sure, I hardcore it up on weekends, but for the most part, I'm a casual player.

The thing is, casual players need to understand that maybe, not everything in a game should be handed to them. Like, you can play the game and get to reasonable map levels with just random drops with the occasional bit of crafting. That's not an issue.

The only time drop rates are impactful, is if you go in with a specific build in mind that has strict item requirements or if you want to brute force your way into the end game encounters with a specific character rather than making a character around what you have access to.

If you're playing Self Found, then adjust your expectations. You won't be able to make any build under the sun, that's a given because the game is built around trading. However, there are many builds available that don't have certain requirements to be effective.

I always felt like the point of SSF is that it was a self-imposed challenge, to try to play the game without trading regardless of drop rates. The way GGG implemented it reflects the nature of the challenge.

That and the game is totally playable without needing drop rates that reflect lack of trading. You just have to improvise more and not expect gear that's priced in exalts.

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Fasut_2 a écrit :

Why not make a casual self found mode with better droprate for the player who doesn't want to farm hours and hours but still loves PoE because it's the best action rpg around?

Because those people should be trading if they don't want the extra challenge of self found. Having people play the SSF league detracts from the real ones and is clearly designed specifically for people who were going to do it anyway for the extra challenge. If you don't want that extra challenge go play the regular leagues. If you want to play too casually for that then go play the permanent ones.