are we path of d2 Rmt now?

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PleiadesBlackstar a écrit :

If you think GGG won't punish people for RMT, go ahead and do it and see how long it takes you to be banned while we laugh.

Just because they don't publicly announce bannings doesn't mean it isn't happening. Just because you see one person getting away with it doesn't mean there aren't plenty more that didn't. And you don't know how long until they get caught. Hey maybe the reason they aren't banned yet was because you decided to make an emo ass post about how it all seems pointless instead of reporting them, giving them the evidence, and moving on with your life.

Yes rmt, bots are all things that are going to continue to happen. Name one online game that doesn't have them at all. Even D3 still has RMT with no actual trade system apart from 2 hours of present group members.

if GGG put rules in place against rmt its not the players job to report players breaking the rules im not getting paid for that its GGG's job to enforce their rules but its seems they do fuck all to combat Rmt despite what anyone says they have far to little staff on hand as it is yet it ruins or makes their game more popular depends on which way you look at it.

ggg can't simply ban players because they make a post on and rmt website asking for rmt currency it's not until they actually make the trade that that is probable cause for a ban. that's as far as I've gathered anyway I mean literally you can call my posts an emo ass rant but its true GGG can't and won't do anything about it.

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NekoHanten a écrit :

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mark1030 a écrit :

If you have actual evidence, send it to GGG. They have and continue to ban for rmt. But they don't go by gut feeling. They need proof.

nah it's just a joke because from what I hear you won't get banned even if you get reported.
besides that Rmt so rampant that GGG would be wasting their time trying to combat it.

Bullshit.
They DO ban them when they have the evidence to do it... [Removed by Support]

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NekoHanten a écrit :

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PleiadesBlackstar a écrit :

If you think GGG won't punish people for RMT, go ahead and do it and see how long it takes you to be banned while we laugh.

Just because they don't publicly announce bannings doesn't mean it isn't happening. Just because you see one person getting away with it doesn't mean there aren't plenty more that didn't. And you don't know how long until they get caught. Hey maybe the reason they aren't banned yet was because you decided to make an emo ass post about how it all seems pointless instead of reporting them, giving them the evidence, and moving on with your life.

Yes rmt, bots are all things that are going to continue to happen. Name one online game that doesn't have them at all. Even D3 still has RMT with no actual trade system apart from 2 hours of present group members.

if GGG put rules in place against rmt its not the players job to report players breaking the rules im not getting paid for that its GGG's job to enforce their rules but its seems they do fuck all to combat Rmt despite what anyone says they have far to little staff on hand as it is yet it ruins or makes their game more popular depends on which way you look at it.

ggg can't simply ban players because they make a post on and rmt website asking for rmt currency it's not until they actually make the trade that that is probable cause for a ban. that's as far as I've gathered anyway I mean literally you can call my posts an emo ass rant but its true GGG can't and won't do anything about it.

I'm walking home from thye movie theater, look a burgler just broke into my neighbor Jim's house and are going through the front door. I guess I'll just go home and ignore it since its against the law to break into other people's property, but that's the city's/police's job. I mean I'm not being paid to report people. I wonder if its the same burgler I saw break into Sally's place last week?

To address your second part, technically I think that they should as long as the information is available to ban the correct account on rmt sites, however, fairly obvious that this could be abused to get people banned by framing. And again, just because you don't see anything being done about it doesn't mean that they aren't doing anything about it. As I said, botting and rmt is a constant battle to try to be one step ahead. Unless they come out with some ultra smart ai that can monitor and control the situation 24/7, gaming companies will always be fighting to keep the cheating population down.

I used the Runescape example earlier. The botters didn't just up and leave the game, they got better programs, so the anti botting employees had to get better, and so on, and so on. That is why I called it an emo ass rant. Its full of hopelessness that because you personally aren't seeing results, based on the mere fact that rmt exists in the game to any capacity, that GGG isn't doing. Because guess what. Even if we assume we have some ultra smart anti bot/rmt ai in the future, bet you all the money in the world it would be in constant combat with an equally smart ai trying to break in and not get caught.
Should they make it easier to report suspected rmt/botting. Yeah. Copy Runescape, have a simple report -> suspected rmt/bot option. End of story. From there GGG should in fact be the one to investigate. But it is just like calling in to the police to let them know of a crime that they are not currently aware is occurring because they aren't currently patrolling that exact area.

There is a problem with online free for all developed games:

The developers are completely unaware that it is they who are anchored to an outcome and not the players simply wanting to play a game they like in context.

When 3.0 beta arrives, any contraction to GGG's current misunderstanding of this problem will be a finalised decision on my part to leave these forums alone permanently, rather than waiting for common sense change solely for the benefit of the players ridiculed by third-party cash-grabbers.

I had an interesting conversation with certain individual. We we talking about his unusually fast trade-macro/lister, that happened to buy my two The Offering card at about the market price. That wasn't so unusual but what was unusual is that he HIGHLY insisted to save himself few chaos (around 3-4, if I remember correctly).
When I asked him why he insisted so much to save those 3-4c, he responded something along the lines of:

I'm not playing this game.

For obvious reasons I asked why, and he responded that he is using it in other ways.
Then I simply asked him if he is doing RMT, to which he responded: maybe yes, maybe no.
Dude also linked me a stock of 5k chaoses (or something like that).

I reported him to GGG and then monitored whenever he got banned. He did not. Take it as you will.

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adghar a écrit :

I'm having trouble seeing the connection between poe.trade and RMT.

His/her point is there is no better alternative way to trade for PoE except these 3rd party stuff. If unique items were really "unique" and if vendor price for a unique item was a real market price of the item, it was gg. But after 5 years, still some people "adjusting" the trade completely which is pretty sad.

I had a super long intellectual post here but I'll just post this instead:


It's a videogame. Go fucking do something about child hunger, cure herpes, create a new technology, etc. instead of crying because someone knows how to make money at a videogame. I am just a jealous as you are because I have things I could do with money like that too.

But, guess what - who cares. GGG does a decent enough job. At least they don't false ban you like Blizzard does. I've lost a WoW account back during WotLK because I leveled 10 characters to 80 and ran my own guild as a bank stash just banking away crafts to sell on the AH. I took the gold and invested it in the gear for my characters, yet Blizzard though I was RMTing.

Imagine if GGG did that. I have tons of orbs just sitting in HC and Legacy stash. I enjoy building up my chaos to see how many I can get during a league. Should I be banned for that? The "evidence" that some guy linked you 5k c is bullshit. We have a few members in our guild that hit 5k under a month. They know the market and what sells on .trade. They also min/max farming.

I'll just close with saying this again: it is a v i d e o g a m e. A videogame where there is ZERO pro scene - no one playing for TSM, VP, SKT, etc. Someone RMTing isn't hurting your gameplay experience. Go cure AIDs then worry about some dude botting.

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NekoHanten a écrit :

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PleiadesBlackstar a écrit :

If you think GGG won't punish people for RMT, go ahead and do it and see how long it takes you to be banned while we laugh.

Just because they don't publicly announce bannings doesn't mean it isn't happening. Just because you see one person getting away with it doesn't mean there aren't plenty more that didn't. And you don't know how long until they get caught. Hey maybe the reason they aren't banned yet was because you decided to make an emo ass post about how it all seems pointless instead of reporting them, giving them the evidence, and moving on with your life.

Yes rmt, bots are all things that are going to continue to happen. Name one online game that doesn't have them at all. Even D3 still has RMT with no actual trade system apart from 2 hours of present group members.

if GGG put rules in place against rmt its not the players job to report players breaking the rules im not getting paid for that its GGG's job to enforce their rules but its seems they do fuck all to combat Rmt despite what anyone says they have far to little staff on hand as it is yet it ruins or makes their game more popular depends on which way you look at it.

ggg can't simply ban players because they make a post on and rmt website asking for rmt currency it's not until they actually make the trade that that is probable cause for a ban. that's as far as I've gathered anyway I mean literally you can call my posts an emo ass rant but its true GGG can't and won't do anything about it.

it's not your job and you don't get paid to whine on the forums either, but you have no problem doing that. Why be opposed to doing something to actually help combat the "rampant" problem you are seeing?

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InMemorium a écrit :

I had a super long intellectual post here but I'll just post this instead:


It's a videogame. Go fucking do something about child hunger, cure herpes, create a new technology, etc. instead of crying because someone knows how to make money at a videogame. I am just a jealous as you are because I have things I could do with money like that too.

But, guess what - who cares. GGG does a decent enough job. At least they don't false ban you like Blizzard does. I've lost a WoW account back during WotLK because I leveled 10 characters to 80 and ran my own guild as a bank stash just banking away crafts to sell on the AH. I took the gold and invested it in the gear for my characters, yet Blizzard though I was RMTing.

Imagine if GGG did that. I have tons of orbs just sitting in HC and Legacy stash. I enjoy building up my chaos to see how many I can get during a league. Should I be banned for that? The "evidence" that some guy linked you 5k c is bullshit. We have a few members in our guild that hit 5k under a month. They know the market and what sells on .trade. They also min/max farming.

I'll just close with saying this again: it is a v i d e o g a m e. A videogame where there is ZERO pro scene - no one playing for TSM, VP, SKT, etc. Someone RMTing isn't hurting your gameplay experience. Go cure AIDs then worry about some dude botting.

RMTing heavily encourages botting, which thus causes all sorts of other issues. There is a reason why SC economy sucks compared to HC literally every season. Removing the incentive to RMT destroys the botting scene in your game. Look at all the games where trade isn't a major focus of the game.

judging from some of the replies in this thread you can clearly see some players condone Rmt or either trying to white knight or sweep it under the rug like its not an issue.

really? there is Rmt for the poe beta is this game's trade system that much of a joke that people need to use a 3rd party Rmt website to trade?