Nice scam GGG

You know what I love the most about topics like these? They show just how quick people are to try to rip your throat out over anything. This guy makes a topic among a sea of other voice his discontent, which is fine by the way. Only to have people consistently berate him for it. And to what end?

Generally this is due to the idea that they've had enough of these kinds of topics but in reality all it does it show a colossal lack of restraint or discipline regarding their inability to ignore said topics. Man I love the internet!

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trav_dawg a écrit :

I don't even have an Xbox one. It was very deceitful to use our money for that when we're led to believe it's for content and game improvements.

Real class act by not disclosing this.

Edit: would I have spend hundreds of dollars of I knew it was going toward Xbox port? Absolutely not. This is undeniably a bait and switch.

They announced in 2014 they are seriously considering a console version. All expansions since awakening have been created with that in mind and they were fantastic.

In conclusion you are silly for not informing yourself and crying for nothing.

What an utterly bizarre, entitled mindset. When I drop 20 bucks on a few stash tabs, you know what I expect to get for my 20 bucks? Stash tabs. Because that is all, and I do mean literally all, I am paying for. The only point where a transaction included anything along the lines of "help determine how GGG spends its development time" was when people bought the old $1000 packs that let them help design a legendary item, and even then, all they were paying for was that - the ability to help the dev team design a new legendary item.

Honestly, as a player returning after a hiatus, I'm consistently astounded by just how much new content GGG puts out on a game which is now several years old and is not just free to play, but almost entirely pays the bills with cosmetic microtransactions. OP, the idea that they "owe" you anything more than what you paid for is asinine. And even if they did, they're clearly doing a hell of a good job with it, so lighten up.

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Old_Man_Legend a écrit :

...show a colossal lack of restraint or discipline regarding their inability to ignore said topics.

What about restraint and discipline towards posting in a public message board? If he is free to post his opinion other people are free to post theirs.

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Budget_player_cadet a écrit :

What an utterly bizarre, entitled mindset. When I drop 20 bucks on a few stash tabs, you know what I expect to get for my 20 bucks? Stash tabs. Because that is all, and I do mean literally all, I am paying for. The only point where a transaction included anything along the lines of "help determine how GGG spends its development time" was when people bought the old $1000 packs that let them help design a legendary item, and even then, all they were paying for was that - the ability to help the dev team design a new legendary item.

Honestly, as a player returning after a hiatus, I'm consistently astounded by just how much new content GGG puts out on a game which is now several years old and is not just free to play, but almost entirely pays the bills with cosmetic microtransactions. OP, the idea that they "owe" you anything more than what you paid for is asinine. And even if they did, they're clearly doing a hell of a good job with it, so lighten up.

nothing more to say :)

I've chosen to post in this thread, but it could fit into any of the numerous threads about supporting this company and feeling betrayed... or at the very least, disappointed at the allocation of resources decided upon by GGG.

What I see as the biggest disparity in understanding in all of these various threads, is the distinction between "purchasing" something and "supporting" a company.

Many people say that the money spent is spent on "stuff" that they get, and only that. Transaction Complete. I'd only agree to this point on direct purchases of MTXs and stash tabs and stuff in their shop.

When a person purchases a "SUPPORTER PACK", a LOT more is implied. That's a big reason I'd never buy one. I don't support the direction they've gone for a long time, and during the period where I did like it, I wasn't invested enough in the game to give them any money yet.

Additionally, None of the MTXs or Quality of Life features that can be purchased are worth anywhere near the cost associated with them in the shops, nor in the "value" of the supporter packs. (If you think a digital pet is worth... $80 of real money, and does nothing but look pretty in a game... we have some serious differences of opinion on the value of money) Purchasing a supporter pack is clearly done with the intent of supporting the development of the game into the future. The "stuff" you get is incidental.

The psychological impact of calling something a "micro-transaction" (these are nothing but micro-transactions... they're macro-transactions) makes people more inclined to purchase. Calling something a "Supporter Pack" drives some people to invest more into the company than the pack itself is worth to them... the "support" is what they're giving.

If you don't get that, you're missing a big part of GGG's sales strategy. They want to capture the whales' money. The shrimp add up, but they're not counting on them. They go for the big-ticket supporter pack sales as often as possible, so they run these leagues shorter and shorter (as reasonably possible with their staff) to get the big money.

Ideally, a person buying a "Support Pack" would only do so after they have been satisfied with content, and want to say "I support what you DID already." That's not how things go here... Supporter Packs are introduced and themed with each expansion, where you are purchasing what seems to be psychologically, future support for what you're about to experience, and future fixing of what is currently wrong with the game.

GGG "Could" try to clarify this, but it would hurt their bottom line. They rely on the hopes and expectations of people willing to part with large sums of money. That's one reason this console port is going to be so dangerous.

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Zaludoz a écrit :

Additionally, None of the MTXs or Quality of Life features that can be purchased are worth anywhere near the cost associated with them in the shops, nor in the "value" of the supporter packs. (If you think a digital pet is worth... $80 of real money, and does nothing but look pretty in a game... we have some serious differences of opinion on the value of money)

You're assuming an awful lot in your post. Sure, the word 'supporter' attached to their mtx packages was likely purposeful with the intent to sell more.. but to assume you have any say over where it goes is just as absurd as thinking they didn't help PC in the process. That being said, they are extremely fair with their packs as well. I bought some stash tabs, then decided I wanted more the following day. When I went to buy more, they instead discounted what I previously bought from the total price of one of the supporter packs. Instead of ripping me off, I ended up getting extra.. in the form of a supporter pack.

Also, who are you to tell me what my money is worth? $80 may be valuable to you. It may be expendable to me. I sold a breastplate on EverQuest 15 years ago for $100. I needed the money. Surprised when somebody bought it, I contacted them and tried to give the money back because I felt it wasn't worth it to the buyer. He immediately replied thanking me because he didn't have time to work on getting such an item. He was a working professional, I was in college. We clearly had different ideas of the value of money.

Enough with the broad assumptions already.

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frenzul a écrit :

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Zaludoz a écrit :

Additionally, None of the MTXs or Quality of Life features that can be purchased are worth anywhere near the cost associated with them in the shops, nor in the "value" of the supporter packs. (If you think a digital pet is worth... $80 of real money, and does nothing but look pretty in a game... we have some serious differences of opinion on the value of money)

You're assuming an awful lot in your post. Sure, the word 'supporter' attached to their mtx packages was likely purposeful with the intent to sell more.. but to assume you have any say over where it goes is just as absurd as thinking they didn't help PC in the process. That being said, they are extremely fair with their packs as well. I bought some stash tabs, then decided I wanted more the following day. When I went to buy more, they instead discounted what I previously bought from the total price of one of the supporter packs. Instead of ripping me off, I ended up getting extra.. in the form of a supporter pack.

Also, who are you to tell me what my money is worth? $80 may be valuable to you. It may be expendable to me.
Enough with the broad assumptions already.

So, serious difference of opinion on the value of money: Check.

I didn't expect everyone to agree on the value of money. It depends on your income and expenses. Everybody makes value decisions on a daily basis, and businesses price their items to get as much money as they can. If GGG can set these prices, and make as much money as they want, Good For Them. Doesn't mean I have to agree that the items are worth that much. They're clearly not to me. I didn't think I needed to add "to me" at the end of the value statements, given the whole difference of opinion bit.

Regardless of the items' worth, I wouldn't give them my support right now anyway. So no supporter packs for me. See how that works? I'm not saying others won't do that, or it's not worth it to them. People with that much disposable income can waste it however they want.

As for assuming having a say in the direction of the game... I didn't say that either. I put forward the ideal decision making process in my post that indicated that the support should be given for what you've received, not for what you expect, because they're not going to necessarily care what you want or expect (though, meeting those expectations for a majority of people will lead to potentially more money in the future.)

The only broad assumptions here are GGG's motivations based on past history and business sense, and the motivations behind the purchase of "supporter packs" by those who are upset.

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Zaludoz a écrit :

The only broad assumptions here are GGG's motivations based on past history and business sense, and the motivations behind the purchase of "supporter packs" by those who are upset.

Yeah, heard that buddy. I just think people are looking far to deep into the word supporter. You are supporting them by buying, obviously.. but you're also getting an awful lot of shiny for doing so.

When you get money from somebody under false pretences it is a scam.

The supporter packs were marketed as supporting poe, as I said before pc poe, as there was no other version mentioned.

Some of the money was used for xbox port, which may or may not have detrimental affects on the pc version.

Money was obtained by falsely advertising their intentions to secure funds they may otherwise not have received.

People here that feel they wouldn't have donated had they been told GGG's true intensions have been scammed, end of story.