Nice scam GGG

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Druga1757 a écrit :

Yes, there were other companies making kits and versions earlier, but it was IBM's side project that really kicked things off.

IBM made the mistake of going to Bill Gates/Microsoft for their OS, and they basically gave away the keys to the kingdom.

Wow, your analogy backfired.[/quote]

80+ Billion dollars a year revenue... so sad, maybe we can chip in and buy them some MTX out of pity. It's too bad the PC (personal computer) never succeeded, otherwise we could be playing great games like Path of Exile on a P.C.

If you are playing PoE on a PC running that horrible Microsoft/IBM ancestry than your rebuttal is complete nonsense.

That open OS and 286/386/486/Pentium architecture, is what allowed game companies to initially flourish and what originally relegated consoles to the dust bin for a brief period.

There were better machines then the PC when it came out. But as DOS/Windows allowed far more games and software, the PC became so useful that they began to be purchased in numbers that made them far more affordable.

You reaped the benefits. We all did. Otherwise, if IBM hadn't popularized the PC, we'd still be looking at $10,000 for something with a couple megs of ram and a 20 megabyte hard drive.

Look at all the complaints in various PoE console porting complaint threads, and how many mention "wasting resources" on a console port.

Now look at how many threads complained about all the resources it took for GGG to "port" the game for Windows 10, or 8.1.

Ooops. That nasty Microsoft OS actually allows for a lot of compatibility and doesn't require anything like the same resources to "port" from versions of OS or from one type of PC to another. Hence, why it is used so often.

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

@DalaiLama
I usually love you posts, but your IBM analogy is missing some ogy, as are KFC or other business analogies I've seen so far.
They are not just a company that grows and explores new fields to grow in. They were a small indie company with a great vision of a game asking people not to purchase stuff, but asking people to support Path of Exile, which by then was a PC game. So people thought that supporting would mean keeping the game running (on PC) and improving it, paying the devs and other staff and so on.
As a customer (not supporter) of a company I don't expect to have any say into what new areas they might expand. But I'm also free to be upset (and decide not to buy from them anymore) if I find out that with the income they made from my purchases, that company suddenly started to produce, say, weapons (because there is a high demand and much money to be made, and the increased revenue might also benefit the development of the product I previously liked.

I certainly agree that people have the right to voice their disagreement with GGG, and to stop supporting GGG if they feel the company doesn't have their gaming interests at heart.

While I don't think that will be the case with GGG's efforts (ignoring or diminishing their efforts on the PC version), I can see where others think that GGG will turn more and more towards consoles and less towards the PC. Having run, and worked in some very large companies at various levels, I can say that no business likes to leave free money sitting on the table. If a company can make money selling hamburgers AND french fries, they won't give up making burgers just to sell fries.

That said, companies with bad/greedy leadership can bite off more than they can chew or swallow financially, if the losses are too much. I don't see GGG in that light, as their growth seems actually a bit on the over cautious side. If I were a gambler, I'd be willing to wager that GGG has turned down some offers to sell out, or to have someone else take a major stake and allow them to expand much more aggressively.

Consider that GGG's founders and much of the staff already play a variety of games. Board games, card games, PC games, console games ....

All of these factor in to what makes Path of Exile the game that it is. I strongly suspect that having a console version will bring even more variety to the game, and make it more enjoyable for all players. I understand that others are concerned it might not turn out well. Business ventures are never a slam dunk, but after a certain period of time companies and certain leaders of companies can and do show that they are worthy of trust.

Consider this - GGG used to offer a different Hardcore and softcore league each new season. They no longer do because (rough paraphrasing here off memory - please correct me if I'm wrong) trying to create two new leagues required resources which would slow down expansion progress or limit how much new content they could put into expansions.

IOW - GGG could offer us even more variety and new content if they had enough resources. If the console version gives them extra resources, we will likely get more new content or new content faster.

Along with all those "incremental" art and asset improvements to the game that really flesh out Wraeclast.

That's my take on it, but I do respect that others have put a lot of support into the game hoping that it will continue to be a great PC game and are worried the console version could take away from that.

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Docbp87 a écrit :

The idea that purchasing a supporter pack somehow entitles you to outrage over business decisions is comical at best...

if i purchase goods at some market, i don't have any say in what the seller should sell. there is just a exchange of item for money and no further entitlement .

if i freely support a pubic service (like poe is) where i likely will profit from in the future, the direction of the service is vastly more important to me.

one could say that one's support is just a compensation for the fun one already had and the costs this caused for the company running the service ... this may be true for players who decided to support 10$ after playing for years but not the group i come from who already supported the game when there was just a demo and a promise, hence the attitude.

While I agree that its tough if you gave that dorra to GGG and hate the idea of them spending it on xbone development, I have to say that calling your bundles supporter packs will always create issues.

The only issue here is the monetary system GGG chose for funding creates the illusion that its support by the fans for the fans type gig when it isn't, its a we called it a supporter pack because marketing told us it'd generate more $$$ type deal (really its a cosmetic bundle lol)

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

Even if there were parents like that (let alone that I doubt a 10 year old should play PoE) it's irrelevant, since by this logic there would need to be a Mac port (I think more families might only have iThings than only an xbone), possibly even a port to tablets (so android and iOS), Linux, PS4, and whatever Nintendo has.
There also needs to be a pen&paper port, btw.

lol you really think more families have macs than xboxs?

Besides the point and read again what I wrote, please.

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Docbp87 a écrit :

The idea that purchasing a supporter pack somehow entitles you to outrage over business decisions is comical at best...

I can outrage over business decisions even without buying anything. The notion of that outrage having any weight might be comical... however, others (and me) have already tried to explain why people feel they are entitled to outrage.

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trav_dawg a écrit :

I don't even have an Xbox one. It was very deceitful to use our money for that when we're led to believe it's for content and game improvements.

Real class act by not disclosing this.

Edit: would I have spend hundreds of dollars of I knew it was going toward Xbox port? Absolutely not. This is undeniably a bait and switch.

do you also scream ''PC MASTERRACE!!!!!!'' before you turn on your pc every day???
your type of pc gamers make me sick. you paid you got some stuff that's it boom, it's their money now, they do what they want to do with it

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iamstryker a écrit :

Some people use weak PC's or laptops just for general surfing. Can't really play PoE on that.

I have a desktop however sometimes I'll play on my Dell 7470. It's a business laptop with on board video. For less than xbox costs you can get way better than that - 12gb ram, SSD, dedicated video, etc

example
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5965581321

If you don't like the video card spend $100 for a GTX 1050 and you'll be still ahead and 5x faster than xbox video


My desktop is bad ass 4.7 ghz 2600K water cooled CPU & GPU - but I wont make that mistake again. Throwing money away. For what my waterblocks cost you can get a very nice gaming machine.

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

I have a desktop however sometimes I'll play on my Dell 7470. It's a business laptop with on board video. For less than xbox costs you can get way better than that - 12gb ram, SSD, dedicated video, etc

example
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5965581321

If you don't like the video card spend $100 for a GTX 1050 and you'll be still ahead and 5x faster than xbox video


My desktop is bad ass 4.7 ghz 2600K water cooled CPU & GPU - but I wont make that mistake again. Throwing money away. For what my waterblocks cost you can get a very nice gaming machine.

I'm not a computer guy so I'm not trying to be argumentative here just spit balling. A used xbox one can be bought for $180 or less. Your link is for a refurbished tower (at $280), for someone who currently only has a laptop they would still need a monitor, so in the end there is still a pretty big price difference there.

If you can link to a laptop that is superior to an xbox one and priced similarly that would be awesome.