Will 2 handed melee ever be made competitive in this game?

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Head_Less a écrit :

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Orbitalx a écrit :

IMO 2hand melee life builds > 1 hand melee life builds because you can wear a Kaoms. Max block does nothing if you get one shot. Bigger hit pool is more valueable.

you can wear a shield with 1h, that s at best 90+life and 3 resist + armor+block.

Kaom heart is not really that good in his non leg version, the fire damage is only interesting to boost oro on Rt.

Also hierophant + helm +essence = 1h +shield+6l (helm)
At top level a mirror dagger will do more damage than any top/mirror 2h.

Yep rare 1h phy kind of suck but some build like ST crit just need basic 3 elem mods on it to deal insane dps.

You can't compare a 90 life shield with the 500 life that Kaom's gives you. Orbitalx is absolute right when he says no amount of block will save you from 1-shots, while a Kaom's will do that.

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EKTELESTES a écrit :

You can't compare a 90 life shield with the 500 life that Kaom's gives you.

5k life + 70 block chance>7k life and no, kaom will not save you from 8k/10k hit bosses can do unless you invest 0 nods in damage to get 8+k life.

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Head_Less a écrit :

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EKTELESTES a écrit :

You can't compare a 90 life shield with the 500 life that Kaom's gives you.

5k life + 70 block chance>7k life and no, kaom will not save you from 8k/10k hit bosses can do unless you invest 0 nods in damage to get 8+k life.

..........I have a level 91 archer that has 7k life using Kaom's and he has tons of dmg nodes on the tree as well...Why would one get 8k life with Kaom's (super easy for Marauders) and get zero damage nodes? What logic is this? Why wouldn't you also have enfeeble + 1 more curse preferably on the boss, endu charges, blind, etc?


AND I have a level 91 Glad blocker with 78/78 block, enfeeble on bosses, blind etc, 5500 life and guess what? He does occasionally get 1-shot by Uber Izaro.

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Geisalt a écrit :

this is totally untrue.

1h non crit is GOOD. The dps will be lower, of course but with elemental damage it's not a problem. fortunately we have a lot of way to scale ele non crit damage.

I'm sure over a million dps is doable with decent gear, while keeping huge tankiness.

Oh also, face breaker is OP so 1h-shield cant compete with it... But it's the fault of facebreaker.

And remember, the bonuses of ES given by shield is ABSOLUTELY INSANE because of thoses shield nodes. SO yeah 1h-shield ES is crazy.

I see we have different definitions of "OP".

1H non-crit is not good, hence the buff. The word I think you're searching for, is "it CAN be good, IF...". And in my eyes, Facebreakers are far from OP, unless you go totems. They're OK, by all means, and a CHEAP way of getting far through the game. But OP? No. Low APS, low range, bad movement and OK+ damage. And, for my information, what does Facebreakers have to do with 1H builds? And scaling physical damage with non-crit 1x1H weapons is a pain.

No, 1H is not where it should be, again - hence the buff. Yes, you may build certain builds that can go far, but as a whole? No. ESPECIALLY wands, claws and maces needs work. A lot of it. Axes too, though they are easier to scale. Swords have the benefit of APS to go elemental (and crit), but I don't think they're very competitive either, compared to other "directions" than 1H.

But hey, disagreeing is a good thing.

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EKTELESTES a écrit :

..........I have a level 91 archer that has 7k life using Kaom's and he has tons of dmg nodes on the tree as well...Why would one get 8k life with Kaom's (super easy for Marauders) and get zero damage nodes? What logic is this? Why wouldn't you also have enfeeble + 1 more curse preferably on the boss, endu charges, blind, etc?


AND I have a level 91 Glad blocker with 78/78 block, enfeeble on bosses, blind etc, 5500 life and guess what? He does occasionally get 1-shot by Uber Izaro.

we are talking about 2h MELEE not ranged.

Read my post again.

There's valid points throughout this thread though I need to add some info:

- You can get a 700pDPS starforge with life and inc AOE for 4 ex, then 6L it for an additional 6 ex.

- This means you can get a 6 link with massive damage, life and 6.5 links for 10 ex.

- it's 200+ ex for a 1 ended that does 535pDPS.

- You can spend 12 ex and get a 6L disfavour

- You can wear a kaoms and easily get 6.5k-7.5k life

- You can wear use an atziri axe and cospri's and get 100% poison+bleed chance + 1 curses and guaranteed curse effects.

- Nothing in the game even comes close to how much damage mirrored 2-handed weapons do - 880pDPS

- Bow's are extremely well rolled if they do 400+ pDPS, so the quiver is required to balance out the fact they cannot wear a shield.

All of the above build down to the fact that you can invest more into defensive properties of the build because your base damage will always be at least double what a 1-hander's is. I'm confident you will always do more single target than a bow build, though as I hate archers with a passion, I have no interest in investigating their damage output. Nothing makes me sick more than archers who PVP