How much RMT in PoE? A RMT site has 1115 post per day for BSC compared to PathofExile.com's 775/day

So this entire argument is based on the fact that a rmt site has more posts per day than the poe forum? That isn't just iffy, it is straight up flawed.

As someone else has pointed out maybe 5% of a game's player population usually frequent forums, an even smaller number ever posts on them. I mean you basically see the same 100 faces being responsible for 90% of the posts here if you read the forums regularly.

On an RMT site however 100% of the users have to post. Simply to engage in trading. There is also probably a lot of "bump" spam to keep ones offers up. That is just an assumption though, not really sure what those sites look like.

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Yes because people like chris becoming famous and making some money will not focus on making more money, and will obviously stop and ignore all the sources of income he could be profiting from.

I am 12 what is life?

Oh man and where to even begin with this one.

First of all: How do you think that would even look like for them to make a deal? I am pretty sure people are talking about one specific site that has catered to RMT afficionados in the ARPG genre far longer than PoE has been around. So did Chris just call them and was like: "Hey guys, I got this new game up and running. Wanna share profits on the rmt?" What would the answer of the site's owner have been then? Probably: "Uh no thanks, we get our business with or without your help."

Second: The ones directly profiting from RMT trades in game are not the website owners, but the individuals using it as their platform. So did Chris call every single one of them? Those anonymous armies? And offer them one Shavs drop per day if he gets a cut of their profits? Lot of writing to single small fish for a CEO, who probably laughs at the peanuts those botters make. I mean these guys have to make a living out of RMT in their otherwise poor countries. Don't you think a good advertising deal with say an online gaming magazine to cover PoE in their articles in exchange for exclusive promotional material would be a better way for him to spend his time than to get 1.5$ per Shavs sold?

Last but not least: What do you think would happen if this leaked to the public? What kind of damage this would do to GGG's business. Do you really think they'd engage in shady activies over some 100 or 1000$ a month at the risk of gambling away PoEs good name for good?

my $0.02.(and personal observation)

Before Breach league rmt adverts were rare on trade chat and non-existent in global chat.

Since the league began the adverts spawn global and trade chat at the same rate.

As for reporting spam bots... I just gave up on doing that after I reported a bot on the same account several times one day; only to see it go about its bussiness undisturbed.

Lel

so many well thought out arguments being made in this thread!

Peace,

-Boem-

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Hallsttattian a écrit :

my $0.02.(and personal observation)

Before Breach league rmt adverts were rare on trade chat and non-existent in global chat.

Since the league began the adverts spawn global and trade chat at the same rate.

What chat channels were you looking at? RMT bots have been a regular thing for ages...

The only thing i wishe RMT user understand is they are not only buying the shame of using a cheatcode while others play in a legit way.

They are also potentialy funding WAY WORSE activities than the RMT website itself by spending money on it.

Internet isn't a clean room folks.

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Heli0nix a écrit :

The only thing i wishe RMT user understand is they are not only buying the shame of using a cheatcode while others play in a legit way.

They are also potentialy funding WAY WORSE activities than the RMT website itself by spending money on it.

Internet isn't a clean room folks.

If you trade, and don't feel that you're cheating... why would you expect someone who RMTs to feel like they are?

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

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Heli0nix a écrit :

The only thing i wishe RMT user understand is they are not only buying the shame of using a cheatcode while others play in a legit way.

They are also potentialy funding WAY WORSE activities than the RMT website itself by spending money on it.

Internet isn't a clean room folks.

If you trade, and don't feel that you're cheating... why would you expect someone who RMTs to feel like they are?

Trading has been introduced by GGG and is an official rule that come with the game. I don't see how it could be cheating. It's not going against the ToS it's in the game.

It doesn't mean you have to trade if you don't want to, as you said aswell in past thread ( including one i authored ) PoE can be played in many ways. The difference is big between an ingame way that allow you to take advantage on others players and a non legit one external to the game.


Examples:

As far i remember you arn't trading, Shagsbeard. Doesn't mean others are cheating if they do. It mean you don't want to exploit everything available and allowed in the game and that's your choice.

I'm trading but i'm not flipping currencies. It mean i'm exploiting a bit more the game than you and what it has to offer but not more than some others players. And so on ... But no matter wich ways we both choose, it will remain legit in regards of the GGG rules, and the ToS rules.

RMT services are going against GGG ingame rules and TOS . It mean on top of beeing illegal it's also clearly showed as a non-legit and unfair advantage on others players.

At some points third party tools that arn't shared publicly with the rest of community could be considered as cheats aswell but they arn't going against the ToS. That's another specific case, and hard to defend it, argue to counter what i said would be that API is available for everyone that want to give it a try ^^

So yeah i'm saying it again. These users are the shame of video games history and i have no respect for them no matter the reasons or excuses behind their purchases.

A dollar is a dollar no matter who you get it from.

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

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Heli0nix a écrit :

The only thing i wishe RMT user understand is they are not only buying the shame of using a cheatcode while others play in a legit way.

They are also potentialy funding WAY WORSE activities than the RMT website itself by spending money on it.

Internet isn't a clean room folks.

If you trade, and don't feel that you're cheating... why would you expect someone who RMTs to feel like they are?

What kind of comparison is that? Don't get me wrong, I don't think RMTers feel any shame about their actions, but comparing trading to RMT is non-sense. One is not only allowed, but encouraged by the devs, the other is a breach of the ToS and a bannable offense...

RMT inflates currency to levels not obtainable outside of RMT.

See Diablo II for example.

I would assume that the RMT business is driven by 24/7 bot accounts and I'm not even sure how you attack these issues in a F2P game.