Sanctuary of Thought 100% reduced mana cost ?

BM + EB in combination, would not consume ES to pay for your spells/ attacks, you would pay life instead

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in the templar case here where you want to take 'sanctuary of thoughts' to create a permanent uptime of no manacosts, that does not work because there is the 'divine guidance' node before with the 'when hit, x% of damage is taken from mana before life' this (damage) would still apply to the ES over the 0/0 mana globe (like it is with the BM + EB + MOM combination).

It could work pretty well i think with ~1-2 energy shield on mana globe and some flat life regeneration ~5-10 with zealots oath, then taking damage will prevent for casting for tiny amount if time, more often not interrupting casting at all.
But again it's kinda wasted 4 points on it.

You're overthinking it. You get MoM, you get Divine Guidance and Sanctuary of Thought and you have 40% of damage taken as mana. Now you want a huge mana pool. You will pick Righteous Decree and Dynamo anyway, they will be extremely effective two-pointers. You'll also get the Tireless Cluster.

With just these points and the bonus from Hierophant, even if you take them in the most economical way possible like this, you'll have 82% reduced mana cost. Combine that with a mana pool of over 2k and your spells will be, for all practical purposes, free. Not to mention that you'll be using warlord's mark for life and mana leech to sustain both your life and your mana pool.

It's completely unnecessary to get 100% reduced mana cost considering the other mechanics at hand.

What about eb with ghost reaver and life leech?

I guess bars is right, there isn't really any other gimmicky/hypster profitable uses for it. Also I overlooked that there is 25% es gain from mana, so there won't be an easy way out to keep es full, unless with blood magic keystone which would kill previous taken node altogether with 25% gain and the outcome would be pretty much the same just with major drawback.

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gwenZ a écrit :

in the templar case here where you want to take 'sanctuary of thoughts' to create a permanent uptime of no manacosts, that does not work because there is the 'divine guidance' node before with the 'when hit, x% of damage is taken from mana before life' this (damage) would still apply to the ES over the 0/0 mana globe (like it is with the BM + EB + MOM combination).

Thanks for the info!

What happens if you Blood Magic and no ES? Does 0/0 count as full ES?

You'll still receive ES from the Hierophant bonus. And, again, there is no point to try creating overly complicated and point-heavy mechanics for 0 mana cost when with this class you'll have an 88% reduced mana cost and a huge fucking mana pool anyway. Something which would normaly cost 100 mana would now cost you 12. You'll be able to sustain that from just natural mana regen, without clarity or rallying cry.

And, again, the most logical curse to use with a Hierophant will be Warlord's Mark since it's the best way to keep both your life and mana up and you'll have 40% of damage taken as mana with MoM. I played a MoM build recently, even 90 manacost is nothing when you have warlord's mark.

So, although the 50% reduced manacost looks impressive on paper, for all practical purposes and for most builds it won't actually make such a big difference.

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dudiobugtron a écrit :

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gwenZ a écrit :

in the templar case here where you want to take 'sanctuary of thoughts' to create a permanent uptime of no manacosts, that does not work because there is the 'divine guidance' node before with the 'when hit, x% of damage is taken from mana before life' this (damage) would still apply to the ES over the 0/0 mana globe (like it is with the BM + EB + MOM combination).

Thanks for the info!

What happens if you Blood Magic and no ES? Does 0/0 count as full ES?

It should be the same case as with 0/0 mana, it's not considered as reserved or low mana so assuming also considered as not full.
Thou just in case it could be still tested with these:
Nomic's Storm http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Nomic's_Storm

EDIT: it can't be tested :/, there is ES on them..

Can't say I've ever had a problem with mana regen that was not easily solved with some smart equipment changes.
At the most, the largest benefit of this reduced mana cost is to ... have 50 mana left in your pool rather than 100? Can loose some points in intelligence? It really doesn't seem that important for most builds.
Also you are throwing away other potential ascendancy classes such as the overly hyped elementalist, because you don't know how to manage mana consumption/supply