nice abuse of vaal molten shell :)

vaal molten shell+adde cold damage+added lightning damage+added chaos damage+iron will+blood magic
with the aura its even more deadly

totaly Worth using a 6link for this :)

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dowset a écrit :

vaal molten shell+adde cold damage+added lightning damage+added chaos damage+iron will+blood magic
with the aura its even more deadly

totaly Worth using a 6link for this :)

I think a single fire pen gem would do more damage than 4 of your supports.

no i tested it, with iron will it totally Worth using those 3 added elemental damage gem, but sure i got 600str it help, and with nice speed movement (80%-100% increasement with flask boots and rats nest) its fill up soul pretty fast its almost always on, awesome to farm dock, catacomb or archive

Actually, here's the order of the supports of greatest power:

Concentrated Effect

Elemental Proliferation

Iron Will

Added Chaos Damage

Added Lightning Damage

Added Cold Damage

Increased Duration

I think you both fail to see the power of penetration. Better than even conc effect vs 75% resistant enemies. Pretty much the best support possible.

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SkyCore a écrit :

I think you both fail to see the power of penetration. Better than even conc effect vs 75% resistant enemies. Pretty much the best support possible.

You enter a room with ten enemies. Half are resistant to nothing and the rest are resistant to elemental damage. Concentrated Effect will do far more than a penetration gem, as you get x% more damage to all enemies instead of penetrating x% of half of the group's resistances, and getting nothing against the rest of the group.

You are also assuming that the person only has or will only use one support, which may or may not be the case. However, it is a Vaal gem and I don't see why anyone would use it anyways.

I did notice that I failed to put the Fire Penetration gem in there, but I'd put it just after Concentrated Effect.

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Natharias a écrit :

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SkyCore a écrit :

I think you both fail to see the power of penetration. Better than even conc effect vs 75% resistant enemies. Pretty much the best support possible.

You enter a room with ten enemies. Half are resistant to nothing and the rest are resistant to elemental damage. Concentrated Effect will do far more than a penetration gem, as you get x% more damage to all enemies instead of penetrating x% of half of the group's resistances, and getting nothing against the rest of the group.

You are also assuming that the person only has or will only use one support, which may or may not be the case. However, it is a Vaal gem and I don't see why anyone would use it anyways.

I did notice that I failed to put the Fire Penetration gem in there, but I'd put it just after Concentrated Effect.

Pen works the same on zero or negative res as it does with positive res. It never has no effect.

Life Leech is nice too, especially with Vaal Pact...

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BackwoodsS a écrit :

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Natharias a écrit :

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SkyCore a écrit :

I think you both fail to see the power of penetration. Better than even conc effect vs 75% resistant enemies. Pretty much the best support possible.

You enter a room with ten enemies. Half are resistant to nothing and the rest are resistant to elemental damage. Concentrated Effect will do far more than a penetration gem, as you get x% more damage to all enemies instead of penetrating x% of half of the group's resistances, and getting nothing against the rest of the group.

You are also assuming that the person only has or will only use one support, which may or may not be the case. However, it is a Vaal gem and I don't see why anyone would use it anyways.

I did notice that I failed to put the Fire Penetration gem in there, but I'd put it just after Concentrated Effect.

Pen works the same on zero or negative res as it does with positive res. It never has no effect.

Since when did the penetration gems work like penetration did in Diablo 2?

Edit: I refer to the Cold Master Sorceress skill. It lowers enemy resistance.

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Natharias a écrit :

Since when did the penetration gems work like penetration did in Diablo 2?

I dont remember the precise mechanics of D2 penetration but i can tell you poe has ALWAYS had penetration reduce your enemies resists(even well into the negative)

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BackWoodsS a écrit :

Pen works the same on zero or negative res as it does with positive res. It never has no effect.

Mostly true, but there is a circumstance where penetration will have zero apparent result; assuming a level 20 penetration(35% penetration) and your enemy is otherwise at or above 110% resistant(also assuming your enemy's resist cap is 75%, which it is for mobs). A fairly rare occurrence, especially considering the easy availability of resistance reducing curses and the rarity of resistance increasing mods.

The reason why penetration is usually the best support is that mobs with little resists are often going to get pwned quickly regardless of your supports. But for high resistance mobs, penetration roughly doubles your damage. Thus penetration really kicks into high gear when you need the damage the most.

This roughly double damage modifier is after all other damage modifiers. Unlike iron will, which is only additive with other spell damage modifers(and thus much less impressive than may first seem).

The 'double' was of course a rough estimate, you could easily generate a table to determine the exact damage gained. But without knowing your opponents exact resists, is fairly useless. But at its optimal efficiency: a mob with exactly 75% resists hit with 35% penetration will take 240% TIMES its original damage(vastly better than any other support). While a mob completely without resists would still take 135% times its original damage(not as good a conc effect, but nonetheless VERY considerable).