High praise coming from you. Thanks very much I appreciate it :)
You edited away the stuff about Atziri?
I have put some thought into optimizing my Atziri setup but I'm not farming her all day long so I'd prefer to remain configured for maps. I'm not really sure what I can use in place of the Immortal Call gem since it would likely get become a totem. The totem is only the difference between Atziri getting no healing, and her getting a tiny bit of healing so it's no big deal really.
I decided to remove my part about not needing to waste a flask charge on removing a reflected curse because I forgot how easy/awesome it is to get tons of flask charges when you are a crit user with surgeons flasks :)
For my builds, sadly I do not use crit so I have to value every single flask charge I have during atziri, so instead of cursing with enfeeble then using a flask to remove the reflected curse like many people do, I just instead curse warlords mark as the leech helps me a ton and me having warlords on me does nothing for her :)
With your setup, having crit and surgeons flasks, enfeeble or temp chains with a warding is probably better :)
Dernière édition par MrDeezy#4313, le 30 juin 2014 à 09:57:55
High praise coming from you. Thanks very much I appreciate it :)
You edited away the stuff about Atziri?
I have put some thought into optimizing my Atziri setup but I'm not farming her all day long so I'd prefer to remain configured for maps. I'm not really sure what I can use in place of the Immortal Call gem since it would likely get become a totem. The totem is only the difference between Atziri getting no healing, and her getting a tiny bit of healing so it's no big deal really.
I decided to remove my part about not needing to waste a flask charge on removing a reflected curse because I forgot how easy/awesome it is to get tons of flask charges when you are a crit user with surgeons flasks :)
For my builds, sadly I do not use crit so I have to value every single flask charge I have during atziri, so instead of cursing with enfeeble then using a flask to remove the reflected curse like many people do, I just instead curse warlords mark as the leech helps me a ton and me having warlords on me does nothing for her :)
With your setup, having crit and surgeons flasks, enfeeble with a warding is probably better :)
Ah fair call, Warlod's Mark is a great option I hadn't considered. Thanks :). I ninja edited my above post regarding flask charge generation since it was actually one of the first things I considered when I thought about making the build. Surgeons flasks are very strong. In fact, I think we may see a nerf to resistance flasks and/or Surgeons affix. (Part of the whole Low-Life/Max-Resists/Critical Strike Meta)
I only curse her during the split-phase because 3/4 of them don't reflect curses then. Sometimes I'll drop the Temporal Chains totem because I have it and might as well use it.
With Blood Rage on I can face-tank the split phase pretty easily, flasks are added bonus/more safety and doesn't actually differ from my mapping configuration.
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Dernière édition par Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253, le 30 juin 2014 à 10:10:37
Thanks :)
Let me know if you have any thoughts about the fight.
If block rolls well and flasks cover the rest I am on >80% HP for full face-tank of split-phase. If not, I probably go to low-life and can kite whilst I regen. Currently considering how I can get Increased Duration onto my Blood Rage so I don't have to recast. (Or roll insane off-colours, I already got really lucky with the GGR Rathpith)
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Currently considering how I can get Increased Duration onto my Blood Rage so I don't have to recast.
Have you considered running a 20% level 5 blood rage connected with a CDWT gem?
The difference between level 5 and level 20 is only 2% leech, and that 2% loss could easily be made up by getting 2% on a ring or something.
If the convenience of not having to cast it is worth the slight loss of only 2% leech it may be an option to consider. Plus you only ever need blood rage when you are in battle, so it kind of makes sense for it to only go off when you take damage.
I have recently starting using blood rage on cdwt on a few of my chars and I love it.
I didn't really take into consideration your current gems setups and if you could fit it in somehow, but Just an option to consider ;)
Dernière édition par MrDeezy#4313, le 30 juin 2014 à 10:28:38
Thanks! That is an awesome idea. I can keep it inside the Rathpith too so it can be weapon-swapped off in an emergency ;)
I do need upgrades on my rings ;) Had to save pretty hard for the dagger, so they are next on the list.
I'll definitely try it out for the next run, thanks again :)
EDIT: I don't like bumping a thread needlessly so I am editing this in.
I just did four Atziri kills with 5/20 Blood Rage supported by CWDT. It Is Awesome.
For my next run I will reconfigure my flasks to 1xHP/Promise + 2xRuby + 2xTopaz, this will give me 100% uptime of flasks during the split phase. I expect this will utterly trivialise that part of the fight.
I'll report back here later with results (not for quite a few hours, I am offline atm).
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Dernière édition par Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253, le 1 juil. 2014 à 02:01:06
I was rolling with 6k, I found it enough, additionally I could not get to any more life nodes.
Had around 70k dps un-buffed with storm needle. around 100k with hatred. With ambusher around 120k.
Now I just changed the build to the one linked in the above post, have 5.5k hp, dunno the dps yet, coz I need to get a few gems I sold before (I played a bit of ST during this ST hype with ambusher so I am respecing back atm) but I expect it to be more coz of the flaying cluster.
I also think armor is not good. I prefer to use an evasion/acrobatics/block/lighning coil combo, cast EC manually and CODT+IC+ID+curse
gear
for pve I use a rats nest btw
Looks pretty freaking epic man. I think going Evasion/Phase Acrobatics/Ondar's Guile/Atziri's Step/Lightning Coil and/or Block is VERY VERY Powerful. *Tips Hat*
How do you handle reflect with that kind of damage output?
I am yet to comprehensively test reflect now that I have Loath Bane, but preliminary results are very positive (no gem swapping required). I built this char with a few goals in mind:
1: Melee, Life-based - check
2: Easy to gear (1st build in new league) - Except for Loath Bane I geared this char with under 20ex
3: Fun to play - nearly the same as #1 here ;)
4: Has to be able to go to 100 - pending ;)
5: Handle any map mods - check
6: Solo all map bosses - check (78 maps didn't exist at the time of conception either)
7: Did not want to use Aegis or BoR
8: Crit-based for flask charge generation
This isn't a full guide so I won't go into too much detail regarding build pro's/con's etc.
As far as map mods and combinations thereof go, the worst map I can imagine would have:
Vulnerability - suffix
Physical Reflect - prefix
Elemental Reflect - prefix
-25% Maximum Resists - suffix
No Regen - suffix (No Blood Rage or have to swap in Life Leech Gem for loss of DPS)
Monsters have 4 additional Projectiles - prefix
Solo this would still be a nightmare, in a party I would be my own worst enemy. Without swapping gems reflect would kill me very easily. (-max/gmp combo can get very fatal very fast also)
I get as much HP as possible in order to soak up any reflected damage as well as buffer anything getting through my block/resists/immortal call. Regenerating nearly 500hp/s is quite strong eHP too.
I've just lately come to the realisation that I don't strictly need to manually cast Enduring Cry but I love using it as part of the playstyle. I will pretty much always manually curse since you often want stuff pre-cursed.
I am very satisfied with this build. Its quite solid with a 5L coil, crest of perendus and binos and quite epic with gear I have now. Anyway its capable of soloing most end game content (not rly uber capable coz of low resists).
it handles most map mods quite well. Phys reflect needs some workarounds but nothing to much. For example casting EC an letting IC proc on reflect mobs is enough. While when going to phys reflect maps I swap melee phys for added fire. Ele reflect is not a problem what so ever. No regen - no problem. Vouln - no problem. -max ele - depends on boss, but when u know which are problematic and why, then they are not anymore. 50% regen is a bit problematic since the leech is capped at 50% too but generally 1 mana flask can overcome it. I generally don't use blood rage because I dont need the leech (have 8% on gear), the dps is more than enough and I dont like the dot - since I regen only 1% of my hp. Generally this is the biggest drawback of my setup - low regen.
I might try the Blood rage+CWDT setup, never thought of it.
also I do atziri with exactly the same flask setup 1xHP/Promise + 2xRuby + 2xTopaz = 100% flask up time always. She is quite trivial.
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I was rolling with 6k, I found it enough, additionally I could not get to any more life nodes.
Had around 70k dps un-buffed with storm needle. around 100k with hatred. With ambusher around 120k.
Now I just changed the build to the one linked in the above post, have 5.5k hp, dunno the dps yet, coz I need to get a few gems I sold before (I played a bit of ST during this ST hype with ambusher so I am respecing back atm) but I expect it to be more coz of the flaying cluster.
I also think armor is not good. I prefer to use an evasion/acrobatics/block/lighning coil combo, cast EC manually and CODT+IC+ID+curse
gear
for pve I use a rats nest btw
Looks pretty freaking epic man. I think going Evasion/Phase Acrobatics/Ondar's Guile/Atziri's Step/Lightning Coil and/or Block is VERY VERY Powerful. *Tips Hat*
How do you handle reflect with that kind of damage output?
I am yet to comprehensively test reflect now that I have Loath Bane, but preliminary results are very positive (no gem swapping required). I built this char with a few goals in mind:
1: Melee, Life-based - check
2: Easy to gear (1st build in new league) - Except for Loath Bane I geared this char with under 20ex
3: Fun to play - nearly the same as #1 here ;)
4: Has to be able to go to 100 - pending ;)
5: Handle any map mods - check
6: Solo all map bosses - check (78 maps didn't exist at the time of conception either)
7: Did not want to use Aegis or BoR
8: Crit-based for flask charge generation
This isn't a full guide so I won't go into too much detail regarding build pro's/con's etc.
As far as map mods and combinations thereof go, the worst map I can imagine would have:
Vulnerability - suffix
Physical Reflect - prefix
Elemental Reflect - prefix
-25% Maximum Resists - suffix
No Regen - suffix (No Blood Rage or have to swap in Life Leech Gem for loss of DPS)
Monsters have 4 additional Projectiles - prefix
Solo this would still be a nightmare, in a party I would be my own worst enemy. Without swapping gems reflect would kill me very easily. (-max/gmp combo can get very fatal very fast also)
I get as much HP as possible in order to soak up any reflected damage as well as buffer anything getting through my block/resists/immortal call. Regenerating nearly 500hp/s is quite strong eHP too.
I've just lately come to the realisation that I don't strictly need to manually cast Enduring Cry but I love using it as part of the playstyle. I will pretty much always manually curse since you often want stuff pre-cursed.
I am very satisfied with this build. Its quite solid with a 5L coil, crest of perendus and binos and quite epic with gear I have now. Anyway its capable of soloing most end game content (not rly uber capable coz of low resists).
it handles most map mods quite well. Phys reflect needs some workarounds but nothing to much. For example casting EC an letting IC proc on reflect mobs is enough. While when going to phys reflect maps I swap melee phys for added fire. Ele reflect is not a problem what so ever. No regen - no problem. Vouln - no problem. -max ele - depends on boss, but when u know which are problematic and why, then they are not anymore. 50% regen is a bit problematic since the leech is capped at 50% too but generally 1 mana flask can overcome it. I generally don't use blood rage because I dont need the leech (have 8% on gear), the dps is more than enough and I dont like the dot - since I regen only 1% of my hp. Generally this is the biggest drawback of my setup - low regen.
I might try the Blood rage+CWDT setup, never thought of it.
also I do atziri with exactly the same flask setup 1xHP/Promise + 2xRuby + 2xTopaz = 100% flask up time always. She is quite trivial.
I am very impressed that your defences allow for that level of damage output. The thing I probably focus on the most with my char is balance, or being able to "support" my damage output. The main ways I've tried to achieve this are with Block, Blood Rage and Immortal Call (and, obviously the biggest HP pool I can get). I really like how you approached those problems and that is probably the thing I love most about POE, the build diversity.
The next melee or evasion char I build will most definitely be looking at using a Lightning Coil.
I just ran the Apex with these flasks:
I did not touch the bleed flask once and the four elemental flasks utterly trivialised the split phase as I expected.
Thanks very much for the input guys :)
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Dernière édition par Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253, le 2 juil. 2014 à 01:58:49
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