The main issues I have with the bestiary system

Too many thoughts, too many actions, too many nets and when you capture beast you can go to a area where it gets really confussions and you can get killed again over beasts you already died from while capturing them (number 1 dead are red capture beasts, 1 can 1 shot creatures in the area, yet i need a full minute damaging a beast and it still doesnt die?!)......

You have ARPG and then we got this shit, it is everything an ARPG is not.....

@OP respec for trying (seen this feed back lots of time (being ignored) but you ofc dont have to play Bestiary? Standard is still an ARPG and a little break also dont hurt? next league can only be better imo....

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Bone2flesh a écrit :

Considering you get out of Act X at around level 70 no, level 81 is not enough to make a good judgement on something. Just because you agree with him does not make any of you right.

As an active forum poster you should know what Ad Hominem means.
I have probably as much experience as OP yet I was able to fully describe what's nerfed and what's wrong already on the 3rd day. All my criticism is still valid and has been confirmed by others.

His arguments have already been approved, so your "Hoho wow scrublord 7 challenges" has no merit here. I'm just pointing out how flawed your thinking process is and how you're deluding yourself with logical fallacies, which isn't limited to this thread only.

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Kiss_Me_Quick a écrit :

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Bone2flesh a écrit :

Considering you get out of Act X at around level 70 no, level 81 is not enough to make a good judgement on something. Just because you agree with him does not make any of you right.

As an active forum poster you should know what Ad Hominem means.
I have probably as much experience as OP yet I was able to fully describe what's nerfed and what's wrong already on the 3rd day. All my criticism is still valid and has been confirmed by others.

His arguments have already been approved, so your "Hoho wow scrublord 7 challenges" has no merit here. I'm just pointing out how flawed your thinking process is and how you're deluding yourself with logical fallacies, which isn't limited to this thread only.

How about the fact that he is repeating the same banter already present in 100 threads on these forums? Does that have any values besides spam value? would it not be smarter to add to one of the multiple already existing threads discussing this matter?

Also you passing judgement on day 3 an calling your own criticism valid is pathetic. Who exactly is in a position to validate anything you or anyone else say on the internet under anonymity? That's right your self validation means nothing.

What's nerfed? Mob quantity and thus drop quantity. the league mechanic does not spawn as many mobs as abyss or breach (both league and zana). Is that a bad thing necessarily? I personally do not think so. it's just different.

What's wrong? Nothing they did not fix in following patches even after your 3rd day. This makes all the assumptions and conclusions you drew invalid. Since the game is not in the same state now as it was on day 3. Counter argue that one.

His arguments are not approved by me for example and other people like me that simply have a different opinion. I do not believe any opinion who has not first hand really experienced the content in full matters. And that is just the way it is.

In any way most of the complaints are strictly linked to the RNG factor of the game that is present every league in almost every action you make in the game. If you look at it that way there is absolutely nothing wrong. RNG works the same way it always does.

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Bone2flesh a écrit :

RNG works the same way it always does.

Let me expose you a giant secret about RNG: It has weighted values.

Regarding everything else, it's just dumb yapping. Arguing about what you "PERSONALLY" think about things when there are statistics and numbers out there proving my criticism is not a conversation that I care about.

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Bone2flesh a écrit :

t.

What's wrong? Nothing they did not fix in following patches even after your 3rd day. This makes all the assumptions and conclusions you drew invalid. Since the game is not in the same state now as it was on day 3. Counter argue that one.

spawn rates are still bad, its still extremely convoluted and messy, still plenty of bugs with trading beasts, 90% of the recipes are still fundamentally useless both in their execution and their value, almost all beasts are worthless etc etc.

They haven't fixed the core, which is why people are still complaining the issue with beast league isn't the monster interactions they are the part that works, the part that doesn't work is what are you capturing them for?

Harbinger orbs are from extremely rare/expensive types, horizons are acceptable, imprint is for flippers only, split the mods on an item is for flippers only as its price is tied to 6l astral plates, remove a prefix add a suffix and its reverse are extremely expensive for their likely outcomes (removed flaring, added 1 mana on kill) etc

Infact the easiest way to describe the core problem with beast league is this, you are more likely to craft a good item with an essence in this league than you are with beastcrafting, that includes that essences are like 1/4th the rarity of beasts. If they fix that i'll be happy if they don't it'll always go down as a league which is at its core, broken.

Man, Bone2flesh really came in here and shitted up this very good post with his "filthy casual low challenge" crap. Way to go, man.

Again, good post.

I will add: Have you noticed that if a beast gets possessed and you capture it, it comes into the blood altar still possessed? That was a huge surprise and really pushed my poop in when combined with two other beasts in that little arena. I started not capturing possessed beasts, that is just too much crap piled on crap.

The unstable spiders are the worst mod - way over-tuned. That spectral swipe can really do serious one-hit damage, but is mostly manageable.

I would also add my off-topic despite to off-screening mobs - the frost shamans, for sure + those horrible arc casting sorceress blackguards.

I must agree to the OPs statement. The Bestiary is funny but sometimes it seems, that they - in german we say "Über's Ziel hinausschießen" - missed a bit the point.
So I had yesterday an event which let me agree more than ever to the critics:
Whith my fireball-shooting elementalist -after facetanking on lvl 52 Itzaro in the 2nd lab- I ran a second try because of the enchants on the boots .... I never died with this character so fast :(

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Question2 a écrit :

-The sheer clunkiness of the bestiary related UI. Heres an example. When you capture a mob, Einhar shows up via a portal and plays an animation. But instead of keeping the portal open for players to use, the game forces you to ask Einhar to open it. then wait for the portal animation to play. It would have been way more user friendly to keep the portal open for players to use.

Everything was a good read except this bit. If his portal was a clickable thing when he initially spawns than I would be frequently accidentally traveling to the menagerie in the middle of combat. If anything I want his portal to disappear sooner so it's less in the way!

Or make his temporary portal a miniature version of the one we use.

Solid post from OP - Not agree with every mentioned points but it's well detailed and will provide a solid data to GGG.

We seriously need a psychological unit for e-peen contest going on this forum :^) lol
You guys need to relax x)

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-The terrible lack of info on the bestiary mobs. The official wiki doesnt include any information on them at all. The ingame bestiary doesnt tell you where they spawn, making it less than useful. If I see that a recipe requires a certain mob, the game doesnt tell you where to find it. SOme basic info would have been nice.

I'd also like some info on the crafting itself. It seems so vague, even though I guess most crafting mechanics are vague.

I don't understand the 4 beast slots. If the level of each slot matters at all. I don't know. So much just seems unexplained or I'm stupid (which is more likely the case).

I just go in now and then and craft a few things that sound neat-ish for something to do. Vendor all of them because I got nothing useful and then hop back on the strugglebus.