2 Handed Melee is dps wise worse than Dual Wield

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HiluSix a écrit :

With the current change to bleed/poison -- I feel like 2h weps need a buff.

Before ailment bullcrap - it was a good choice

Now you want/need faster weapons to stack bleed/poison. And thats where 2H lose big time against 1h or dual.

Show me a build that deals dmg with bleed, especially with 1hs bleed is way worse than with 2hs from useless to super useless.

So this is like the most retarded argument not to mention the complications of actually getting 2 usable 1hs opposed to a single well rolled anything that can have a 6link.


Also someone mentioned cleave, that skill was made for dw, it is one of the very few dw skills, being able to use it with sword/shield or 2h does not automatically means it should be, this can be applied to a lot of things.

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Schakar a écrit :

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The_Human_Tornado a écrit :

it should be the most rewarding of all melee playstyles.

BS!

They should be SIMILAR. Nothing more, nothing less!
At the end it should just be a question of personal prefarences!

I love dual wilde ... but you want to nerf it. NO!!! NO DAMN WAY!!!! Even more as DW lay far behind in performance for such a long time!

There is absolut NO reason, one has "must" outclass the other!
Hell, even 1h+Shield should have an EQUAL performance!!

You want more block changse ?? PLAY STAFF !!

When did I say that Dual Wield should be nerfed, LOL? Dual Wield is fine, its just 2h having nothing to offer compared to dual wield in the moment, so I ask for a buff of the white 2h Bases or a similiar Bonus to 2h that doesnt require a unique.

The "most rewarding" was actually a stupid thing to say by me. What I actually meant was that if you play just play with rares and a self crafted weapon, 2h should require the least amount of passive/ascendancy investment to do a certain amount of damage or to get a certain clearspeed, simply cause that would mean that it is the most offensive way by logic.

But that is not the case, pretty much all builds except Earthquake that can be played as DW or 2h, have, with the same investment, better clearspeed and same or higher damage when played as Dual Wield.

So if you play Sunder an Ascendancy that can play both DW or 2H like zerker or jugger, with rares and a self crafted weapon, then your choice is pretty much "play dual wield or be an idiiot".

2h can get another 6L which is nothing to scoff at in the slightest. also base numbers don't mean a whole lot, 2H also get higher modifiers.

2H let's you wear koam's heart which is huge advantage over belly.

2H nodes are between templar and duelist, dw are between duelist and assassin (or marauder and ranger if you take specialised weapon nodes and rt)

naturally 1h will have access to +3 power charges if willing while 2h will have access to +3 end charge.

all in all, 2H has more potential for regening, resilience, while 1h is more about leech, dps and clearspeed.

also movements skills: flamedash/leapslam(slower but steadier) VS flamedash/wirlwindblade or flamedash/shieldcharge

If you think bleeding is still weak, you're sorely mistaken: https://pastebin.com/6TycCWtW

290k hit dps + 220k bleed dps at 8 stacks (not hard since they last 5 seconds)

No, you don't use deadly ailments and unbound ailments to scale bleed, that's how you kill your normal damage, you just use all the physical gems + ruthless/damage on full life. All 5 support gems scale both your normal dps, and bleed dps with no downsides. Bleed can boost your dps by around 70%.

Wings of Entropy: two-handed, dual wield axes plus chaos damage!

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When did I say that Dual Wield should be nerfed, LOL? Dual Wield is fine, its just 2h having nothing to offer compared to dual wield in the moment, so I ask for a buff of the white 2h Bases or a similiar Bonus to 2h that doesnt require a unique.

Wrong.

Overall all your reasoning is weak.

yep, 2-hander allows you to use any chestpiece, even unlinked and/or use a 6L single-target setup or a totem... and 2-handers look way cooler too :D

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darkmark009 a écrit :

If you think bleeding is still weak, you're sorely mistaken: https://pastebin.com/6TycCWtW

290k hit dps + 220k bleed dps at 8 stacks (not hard since they last 5 seconds)

No, you don't use deadly ailments and unbound ailments to scale bleed, that's how you kill your normal damage, you just use all the physical gems + ruthless/damage on full life. All 5 support gems scale both your normal dps, and bleed dps with no downsides. Bleed can boost your dps by around 70%.

I will have to check that once I get home, I'm really interested how it is actually scaled.