The REAL problem with melee vs. ranged

This doesn't fix the melee problem at all, only destroys ranged as well. The problem with melee is that you need to walk up to a target and click on it to hit it, and if you miss it you hit empty air even with 100% accuracy.

If you don't think the targeting is the problem just look at all the melee skills:

1. Skills that don't require a target

Blade Flurry
Cleave
Cyclone
Earthquake
Ground Slam
Ice Crash
Lacerate
Lightning Strike
Molten Strike
Reave (exception for initial hit)
Shield Charge
Sunder
Sweep

2. Skills that require a target

Dominating Blow
Dual Strike
Elemental Hit
Frenzy
Glacial Hammer
Heavy Strike
Infernal Blow
Puncture
Static Strike
Vigilant Strike
Viper Strike
Wild Strike

Why is the first melee category more popular and viable then the second one? Because all those skills have build in AOE and don't require to physically click on a target by chasing it with your cursor, you can just hit the ground and AOE happens. Solution is to make Melee Splash slam the ground instead of a target and give it a little more aoe or at least make Flicker Strike a support gem that works with skills that require a target.

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PayneK a écrit :

This doesn't fix the melee problem at all, only destroys ranged as well. The problem with melee is that you need to walk up to a target and click on it to hit it, and if you miss it you hit empty air even with 100% accuracy.

If you don't think the targeting is the problem just look at all the melee skills:

1. Skills that don't require a target

Blade Flurry
Cleave
Cyclone
Earthquake
Ground Slam
Ice Crash
Lacerate
Lightning Strike
Molten Strike
Reave (exception for initial hit)
Shield Charge
Sunder
Sweep

2. Skills that require a target

Dominating Blow
Dual Strike
Elemental Hit
Frenzy
Glacial Hammer
Heavy Strike
Infernal Blow
Puncture
Static Strike
Vigilant Strike
Viper Strike
Wild Strike

Why is the first melee category more popular and viable then the second one? Because all those skills have build in AOE and don't require to physically click on a target by chasing it with your cursor, you can just hit the ground and AOE happens. Solution is to make Melee Splash slam the ground instead of a target and give it a little more aoe or at least make Flicker Strike a support gem that works with skills that require a target.

yeah i feel like name lock is the larger issue right now

They should definitely not increase monster hp. That would make people realize how stupid monster ai really is.

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VictusBcb a écrit :

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KZA a écrit :

Here's a thought:

What if the point blank mechanic was more universal? Meaning, the closer a target is to your character, the more damage it takes. This bonus damage can then taper off into penalties until no damage is inflicted at long, offscreen range.

This idea I think has some great merit I think (though anyone can chime in and tell me why I'm stupid, because I am pretty exhausted after my shift at the factory)

I would actually go the other way: deal less damage when enemy is close.
Current scenario:
Besides from running around let's imagine a melee-enemy coming close. You already do damage with ranged attacks while he is approaching to you and when he gets in range you would (if using point blank) melee-level damage or more.
With the opposite effect:
You would deal good damage as long as you stay away but are pretty much screwed when they approach you that's where melee should shine and not a range character buffed by point blank. And being forced to also move because you deal less damage if you stay would penalize just approaching and spamming ranged attacks and spells too.

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Pwnther a écrit :

Monsters need Arrow Dancing and 1000% more armour vs ranged attacks.

Something like that would make sense, slow monsters with a big shield that are more protected against ranged attack would be great I think.

Not 1000% more armour obviously, but something like that.

IMO Melee damage is ok but but they have to be more tanky.
Increase hp to about the same as ES and everything will be fine...

The Real Problem is that as u progress to higher lvl content the only thing that builds up is monster dmg and monster life, there is no challenging gameplay whatsoever in this game unless u do unique maps, only one shoots exist, to remove chance of getting one shoted ppl tend to do 2 things: clear faster than monster can react, do lower lvl content (aka shaped strand meta)
To compare im doint nothing meta-like any league, right now i have plaid Cheftain CwC firestorm maruder with 8k life over capped resistance 90% phys midigation, 2k life regen, and because mine dmg takes a momment to stack up i often get caught in melee range and so im often one shooted on t14-t15 maps struggling to get pass 89 for about a month, while on other hand i made shadow assassin flicker with abyssus and i exped him to 90 in just 2 days doing t8 atolls.
The key difference is that monster never ever touches me as i had 14 APS with flicker, nothing got chance to react so i never even had to midigate any dmg exept elemental.
The problem that needs solving is that game needs a better and smarter monster mechanics, not just stacking lafe and dmg because that is just stupid and allready leads us to a point where u make tankiest motherfucker like no other, with crippling dmg but u get still one shooted at some point.
New monsters and locations need to be aimed at ranger champions to make GAMEPLAY more challenging.

Cheers.
(sori for mi bad inglesh)

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assamite1 a écrit :

8k life over capped resistance 90% phys midigation, 2k life regen
(...)
i often get caught in melee range and so im often one shooted on t14-t15 maps

You'll have to search a long time before you can find a monster in this content that can deal this amount of damage with a single hit (other than stupid volatiles or telegraphed boss attacks that you are expected to avoid).

This would require a "stars align" scenario of wrong rare monster with wrong affixes + multiple crazy map mods + essences + onslaught league stone + shocked ground + crit etc.

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k1rage a écrit :

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PayneK a écrit :

This doesn't fix the melee problem at all, only destroys ranged as well. The problem with melee is that you need to walk up to a target and click on it to hit it, and if you miss it you hit empty air even with 100% accuracy.

If you don't think the targeting is the problem just look at all the melee skills:

1. Skills that don't require a target

Blade Flurry
Cleave
Cyclone
Earthquake
Ground Slam
Ice Crash
Lacerate
Lightning Strike
Molten Strike
Reave (exception for initial hit)
Shield Charge
Sunder
Sweep

2. Skills that require a target

Dominating Blow
Dual Strike
Elemental Hit
Frenzy
Glacial Hammer
Heavy Strike
Infernal Blow
Puncture
Static Strike
Vigilant Strike
Viper Strike
Wild Strike

Why is the first melee category more popular and viable then the second one? Because all those skills have build in AOE and don't require to physically click on a target by chasing it with your cursor, you can just hit the ground and AOE happens. Solution is to make Melee Splash slam the ground instead of a target and give it a little more aoe or at least make Flicker Strike a support gem that works with skills that require a target.

yeah i feel like name lock is the larger issue right now

I mean the bigger picture is the fact that basically all almost skills in number 2 effects could be added to skills in number 1 outside of base damage. In items, ascendancies or otherwise such like auras/buffs. (Why should I run frenzy + glacial hammer when I can turn on hatred aura + use blood rage)

The damage of range skill gems actually reflects that. It's the supported gems and overpowered auras stacking that makes things way too overpowered. Stuff that is supposed to hit many enemies but have weak damage such as Spectral Throw, 1 shots them instead because of the said buffs.