[R.I.P.] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Juggernaut version - R.I.P. thx to "balancing" policy

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RicoKGB a écrit :

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_KaOtiC_ a écrit :

Coc triggers before romiras removes the power charges ...

Holy mother of Thor! This is ground breaking!

If so I can go Cyclone-FA-CoC-Discharge-IncCrit-EleFocus/ConcEff and move fortify to shield charge.

I wouldn't go inc crit, because you still need romiras to hit not crit to create power charges if you make your crit too high you'll start not generating power charges at all. Maybe put pcoc for better charge generation to give inya another charge to try convert or another damage link/cull etc. I tested with diamond flask which gave me around 49% cc and I started to not generate charges often so had to stop using it.

Well, just hit lv100 and wanted to test...Blood Rage gem for generating Frenzy charges, i tried with a T15 shaped port map with 2 bosses and enemies hit with poison, that´s very risky, i generate x2 frenzy avg. It´s worth it? dunno...Took Combat Stamina so i lose 150 hp life.

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RicoKGB a écrit :

Holy mother of Thor! This is ground breaking!

If so I can go Cyclone-FA-CoC-Discharge-IncCrit-EleFocus/ConcEff and move fortify to shield charge.

well, you miss Blood Magic Gem, so Cyclone-FA-CoC-BM-Discharge-ConcEffect/Fortify

That´s G-G-G-R-B-B, avg 144 max chroms "x1 Green attempt Vorici"

TEST #1

First i removed BM gem and it´s impossible to sustain mana even with a Romira´s ring with 2 mana gain on hit. So i put again BM gem. Second, i put my only 6L (Carcass Jack) with this set up:
Cyclone(20/20)-FA(20/20)-CoC(2/0)-BM(20/17)-Discharge(2/0)-CE(20/20).



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TEST #2

CoC 11/20, Discharge 17/20, Romira´s Clean Ring, x2 Breaches, i use an MTX, so you can see the "second Discharge generation" and also, you can see animation next to RF icon.

NOTE: i have that enchantment on my boots :120% inc. crit. strike chance if you haven´t crit recently

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redix27 a écrit :

First i removed BM gem and it´s impossible to sustain mana even with a Romira´s ring with 2 mana gain on hit. So i put again BM gem.

What about 2-3x Mana gained on hit jewels?

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RicoKGB a écrit :

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redix27 a écrit :

First i removed BM gem and it´s impossible to sustain mana even with a Romira´s ring with 2 mana gain on hit. So i put again BM gem.

What about 2-3x Mana gained on hit jewels?

Nah, it doesn´t worth it, you lose max life or spell damage or resistances or Attack speed...in fact, my bad because i put LIFE GAIN ON HIT and total mana cost is 37, but if i put Fortify total mana cost is only 27:-), now i´ve just tested with a +2 mana jewel, total = 4 mana gained on hit. Mmm so good but i should take Revelry node too or Righteous Decree.
I can´t sustain RF with Carcass Jack....

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I just count 35 secs, so 12.5mil hp boss / 0.35 = 357K real

Note: Carcass jack with 50% area dmg it´s +18K

TBH I dunno if this is worth it. Quick test with lvl 20 (Mjolner) + lvl 10 (CoC) Discharge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3fVjiWt6aM

-max so no RF...

This is with 16.25% base Cyclone crit chance and 4.1 base attack speed. So 16-29% melee crit chance depending on actual number of PCs. And as you can see by looking at shortcut toolbar tooltip CoC Discharge triggers 20 times during this 37sec boss fight. 37/20 = around once per 2 secs. Which doesnt give me a boner really :P


EDIT: Test 2 with T15 Kaoms (40% life increased):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4qcfYReKY

Same APS, same base CC, 22 sec boss fight, 18 triggers of second Discharge setup so almost once per sec, much better result. However still nowhere near CoC trigger cap of 0.43s (with TFU belt).

My new T16 Minotaur white map speed, this time without Carcass Jack and those 50% inc. area dmg,

35 secs, so 12.5/35 =357K real

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redix27 a écrit :

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RicoKGB a écrit :

Holy mother of Thor! This is ground breaking!

If so I can go Cyclone-FA-CoC-Discharge-IncCrit-EleFocus/ConcEff and move fortify to shield charge.

well, you miss Blood Magic Gem, so Cyclone-FA-CoC-BM-Discharge-ConcEffect/Fortify

That´s G-G-G-R-B-B, avg 144 max chroms "x1 Green attempt Vorici"

TEST #1

First i removed BM gem and it´s impossible to sustain mana even with a Romira´s ring with 2 mana gain on hit. So i put again BM gem. Second, i put my only 6L (Carcass Jack) with this set up:
Cyclone(20/20)-FA(20/20)-CoC(2/0)-BM(20/17)-Discharge(2/0)-CE(20/20).



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Spoiler

https://youtu.be/uSaQu7_z9jA

TEST #2

CoC 11/20, Discharge 17/20, Romira´s Clean Ring, x2 Breaches, i use an MTX, so you can see the "second Discharge generation" and also, you can see animation next to RF icon.

NOTE: i have that enchantment on my boots :120% inc. crit. strike chance if you haven´t crit recently

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Spoiler

https://youtu.be/F_NQtBSJPV0

That boot enchant is really not good for you because it raises your crit chance when outside of fighting only, since your crit chance should be high enough to crit once each 2 seconds and the boots need you to not crit each 4+ seconds, which means it is making romiras not give a power charge if you crit before getting any power charges you just going to waste an attack when you first engage monsters but it will be doing nothing while you are attacking.

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RicoKGB a écrit :

TBH I dunno if this is worth it. Quick test with lvl 20 (Mjolner) + lvl 10 (CoC) Discharge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3fVjiWt6aM

-max so no RF...

This is with 16.25% base Cyclone crit chance and 4.1 base attack speed. So 16-29% melee crit chance depending on actual number of PCs. And as you can see by looking at shortcut toolbar tooltip CoC Discharge triggers 20 times during this 37sec boss fight. 37/20 = around once per 2 secs. Which doesnt give me a boner really :P


EDIT: Test 2 with T15 Kaoms (40% life increased):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4qcfYReKY

Same APS, same base CC, 22 sec boss fight, 18 triggers of second Discharge setup so almost once per sec, much better result. However still nowhere near CoC trigger cap of 0.43s (with TFU belt).

Yes sometimes rng is on your side sometimes against you lol. But I'm happy to gain 1 discharge and have 100% hit rate without dying to reflect this is the only issue for me any other things that lower my resistance I can just out leech for zerk, so for my build it's a big gain not sure if you are happy to give up the slots in your cyclone as I don't often use rf lower resistances doesn't effect me as much. Another option is bladefall or some kind of cold skill like vortex will chill and slow the mobs to increase your hit rate to create another power charge or put in pcoc, this way you will have more power charges to discharge/give Inya another chance to give you full power charges meaning higher crit chance, so bringing up the amount of times the extra coc discharge can trigger.

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redix27 a écrit :

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Punknificent a écrit :

Is your The Flow Untethered belt the item that keeps RF from melting your HP? I still can't stabilize RF even with 79 fire res and 351 life regen.

No, you need 84% fire res, 7/8 endurances up (0.2 regen per endurance node), summon stone golem up also helps you, and +700 life regen, ps read first page of the build.

Got it, thanks for the reply.

Also, i'm currently sticking with GlacialHammer+Multistrike+Fortify+MeleePhysDmg+BloodMagic as my main attack instead of Cyclone. I know it's going to be a major drop for the attack speed and power charges but what the heck, I like stationary better.

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Punknificent a écrit :

Also, i'm currently sticking with GlacialHammer+Multistrike+Fortify+MeleePhysDmg+BloodMagic as my main attack instead of Cyclone. I know it's going to be a major drop for the attack speed and power charges but what the heck, I like stationary better.

If you like stationary better use Frost Blades. I wouldnt call Glacial Hammer + MPD a proper trigger setup for Discharge lol.

Your "main attack" is Discharge, cyclone/frost blades/whatever is used only to trigger Mjolner Discharge. Dmg on melee attack doesnt matter.


EDIT: @ _KaOtiC_ tell me what you think: https://pastebin.com/SpiK8HtF

(This is double Discharge volls combo full on crit Zerker)