Why Poe is becoming PAY TO WIN GAME - free discusion

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

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Xalthotun a écrit :

Imagine two players. Both equally good. One is freeloader, another pays for various game elements. If paying player progress faster, because he bought some game elements for real money, that's in my opinion means, that he bought advantage.

The payer is likely to advance slower. He's got to muck with storage more and decide to keep/sell items more often. He's got to take time to apply cosmetics and marvel at their grandeur. The "equally skilled" freeloader is more likely to play the game for the sake of the moment and skip over stuff that might benefit his next characters down the way.

Come on, man. Just no.

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Xalthotun a écrit :

Imagine two players. Both equally good. One is freeloader, another pays for various game elements. If paying player progress faster, because he bought some game elements for real money, that's in my opinion means, that he bought advantage.

That would be true if there was any advantages to be baught in this game.

So in your opinion there aren't any, if I understood you well?

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Xalthotun a écrit :

So in your opinion there aren't any, if I understood you well?

There are no advantages in this game that makes you level faster, that is correct. If you want to take your time to sell stuff and get rich, yes buying stash tabs is probably a good idea, but that doesnt help you level faster which was what you were talking about.

In my opinion if you're rich, you can progress much, much faster, than if you're poor. You can buy better gear, and better maps if you have a lot of chaos.

And you can become rich much faster by spending real money. That's my point.

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Xalthotun a écrit :

In my opinion if you're rich, you can progress much, much faster, than if you're poor. You can buy better gear, and better maps if you have a lot of chaos.

And you can become rich much faster by spending real money. That's my point.

You can become just as rich if you use one of the 3rd party programs designed for the old system. It takes literally 15 seconds longer to post your item for trade compared to having stash tabs. Alt+Tab, price item, go back to PoE.

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CrazylikE a écrit :

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Xalthotun a écrit :

So in your opinion there aren't any, if I understood you well?

There are no advantages in this game that makes you level faster, that is correct. If you want to take your time to sell stuff and get rich, yes buying stash tabs is probably a good idea, but that doesnt help you level faster which was what you were talking about.

Paying player will clear maps, while nonpaying will sort mules and play tetris loot simulator. That is huge advantage and also leveling faster. so yes, it is p2 gain advantage... 95% guys saying its not p2w have bunch of stash tabs lol, is it so hard to admit that you are paying for advantage ? yes you are... So if guy who pays run 10 k maps for example and nonpaying guy runs 8k for example, cause he lost time with tetris, 2k more cleared maps difference isnt advantage ?!(even if it was 100)

Two players starts a race to 100. One player has 4 stash tabs, the other player has 100 stash tabs. I would argue none of them have an advantage over the other to get lvl 100 fastest.

Those 4 stash tabs are more than enough to race to 100. You dont find that many items worth selling on your way there, remember the items sell quickly when you are racing to 100, its early, nobody has any items. 4 tabs is enough.

I would even argue that the less stuff you pick up, the faster you lvl to 100. You dont start a race to 100 with a build that requires a shit ton of gear/currency to make. So the less you stop to sell stuff, the more efficient you will be at getting xp and you will win.

Also, when I say win, I mean you will win the race to 100 which gives you nothing, so what did you really win? Nothing lol. Nice advantage.

To get a real advantage, pay a bitchboy to sell for you, roll maps for you, boost you. Thats what really gives you the advantage. Not needing to spend a single second on trading at all, just xp xp xp. Stash tabs, pfft, you dont know shit if you think that will give you an edge :p

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CrazylikE a écrit :

Also, when I say win, I mean you will win the race to 100 which gives you nothing, so what did you really win? Nothing lol. Nice advantage.

Full time streamers profit based on viewers. The top racers get more viewers. Winning the race or just being one of the top contenders translates into real world cash money for guys like Havoc and Zizaran.

Also, for anyone interested, the top people who race to 100 use more than four tabs. If using more than four tabs was in any way a drawback, you can bet your ass they wouldn't be doing it. Most players benefit from extra stash tabs much more than the guys at the very top do, though.

The only reason some of the top guys don't gain as much of an advantage from stash tabs is that they sometimes have people who sell gear for them them and roll their maps. You really don't need a bunch of extra tabs if your drops are all sold through somebody else's stash instead. That only applies to a tiny, tiny percentage of players, though.

Two players race to 100. The guy with more stash tabs gets there first and quits to wait for the next league. The second guy gets there later and quits until the next league. Did the guy who quit first win? Or did the guy who played more win? I'd say the guy who played more won because playing is winning this game and not playing is losing.