Iron Reflexes vs Acrobatics question SOLVED.

I would take acrobatics over iron reflexes any day.

That mechanics post makes Evasion seem more worthwhile to me, however I believe tha just like in most games, a good mix of armor and evasion will receive the best results, and so neither of these keystones are great investments.

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hurticane a écrit :

What? You "dodge every forth attack?" not really bud you have a CHANCE to dodge ANY attack by 25%.. that doesnt mean that in 4 attacks youre guaranteed to dodge ANYTHING... matter of fact its more like you have a 75% chance to dodge nothing in 4 attacks. So yes thats totally random and dont listen to this guy. At that mentality youre basically saying if you go buy 100 lottery tickets youre guaranteed to win at least once... which is totally wrong.
Secondly you can easily see how much mitigation your armor is providing in the character sheet in game. If youre only reducing your damage by 100 then youre probably only fighting mobs that hit for 200 or so. At lvl 28 or so I think I already have around 40% mitigation.
Im not trying to flame but you dont have it right at all.

That's not how statistics work in real life, or this game. (In PoE you're basically guaranteed to dodge one of those four, and in "real life," there is a 31% chance that you'd be struck each of the four times, not 75%.

Anyway, how does Dodge work in concert with Evasion? They are different values on the character sheet. Is the 20% Dodge value from Acrobatics a flat 20% RNG roll, then, if the attack "hits," it is further checked against your current Evasion Entropy?

Or is it vice-versa?

(Check Evasion, then check Dodge --or-- Check Dodge, then check Evasion)

Or is there some sort of additive that goes on?

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Laserbot a écrit :

Anyway, how does Dodge work in concert with Evasion? They are different values on the character sheet. Is the 20% Dodge value from Acrobatics a flat 20% RNG roll, then, if the attack "hits," it is further checked against your current Evasion Entropy?

Or is it vice-versa?

(Check Evasion, then check Dodge --or-- Check Dodge, then check Evasion)

Or is there some sort of additive that goes on?

From what i've been reading, the mechanics for dodge seem to be:

1) Check dodge roll, true RNG, not entropy based RNG.

2) If dodge roll fails, do the entropic evasion chance.

3) If evasion fails, get hit and hope you have enough life.

So Dodge is a seperate roll from evasion, and is not governed by the entropic RNG mechanic, so you can get streaks of dodges or not.

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Also in regards to the comment on armour, the formula for mitigated damage is:

Damage Reduction = Armour / ( Armour + (12 * Damage) )

So the higher the hit, the more you will take, the mitigation given on the character sheet is just some form of weighted average. Some examples:

1000 Armour
Hit for 10 damage - 89% mitigation or 1 dmg taken
Hit for 100 damage - 45% mitigation or 55 dmg taken
Hit for 200 damage - 29% mitigation or 142 dmg taken
Hit for 300 damage - 21% mitigation or 234 dmg taken

As you can see, the harder the hit the less mitigation you have which comes full circle around to the case for both forms of mitigation. If you take a huge hit you either don't mitigate enough to survive or you fail your evade chance and your forehead collapses; in both cases, life rules.

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hurticane a écrit :

What? You "dodge every forth attack?" not really bud you have a CHANCE to dodge ANY attack by 25%.. that doesnt mean that in 4 attacks youre guaranteed to dodge ANYTHING... matter of fact its more like you have a 75% chance to dodge nothing in 4 attacks. So yes thats totally random and dont listen to this guy. At that mentality youre basically saying if you go buy 100 lottery tickets youre guaranteed to win at least once... which is totally wrong.
Secondly you can easily see how much mitigation your armor is providing in the character sheet in game. If youre only reducing your damage by 100 then youre probably only fighting mobs that hit for 200 or so. At lvl 28 or so I think I already have around 40% mitigation.
Im not trying to flame but you dont have it right at all.

I love it when people are so utterly wrong. Read up on the games mechanics before you dribble more nonsense please.

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Warro a écrit :

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MasterDinadan a écrit :

Armor will not reduce a single damage source by more than a twelfth of your armor, no matter what percent is quoted.
if I have 1200 armor, I am AT MOST reducing physical damage by 100.

Source?

It is actually worse than that.

% reduction = [armor value] / ([armor value] + 12 * damage taken)

This means that
-for a 100 damage hit, 1200 armor will protect you for 50%, or 50 damage
-for a 1000 damage hit, 1200 armor will protect you for 9%, or 90 damage
-for a 5000 damage hit, 1200 armor will protect you for 2%, ot 100 damage

You rarely get even 1/12 of your armor as damage reduction.

i figured out some thing forgive me am new to the game + my English is brok a bit but her is the thing i understand if u want to benefit form the evasion and dodge stat u have to build base regen whether energy shield or health so if u dodge the energy shield well recharge back so u wont have to worry about hard cor calculation 4 to one or dodge chance or eny of this things

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Rikik a écrit :

i figured out some thing forgive me am new to the game + my English is brok a bit but her is the thing i understand if u want to benefit form the evasion and dodge stat u have to build base regen whether energy shield or health so if u dodge the energy shield well recharge back so u wont have to worry about hard cor calculation 4 to one or dodge chance or eny of this things

Sort of.

If you build around Dodge+Evasion, you need to recognise that a big hit WILL eventually get you, so you need to stack enough life to survive it and have enough Regen + Flasks to buff your health back to max immediately just in case another hit comes through straight away.

Epic necro, BTW :)

It works this way:

Armor (armor penetration applies):
Good for a lot of small physical hits
Good for non-lethal big hits (that big that it would kill evasion char if landed)
Bad for lethal big hits (that big that it would kill armor and/or evasion char if landed)
Bad for non-phys attack hits
Bad for non-phys spell hits
Good for phys spell hits

Evasion (Entropically random - guaranteed missed after hits!):
Good for a lot of small physical and ELEMENTAL attack hits
Bad for armor non-lethal big hits (it will kill you while armor char lives)
Good for lethal big hits (You have still chance to survive while armor char would be 100% dead)
Good for non-phys attack hits (including chaos attacks)
Bad for non-phys spell hits
Bad for phys spell hits

Dodge:
Good for a lot of small attack hits
Bad for big hits (no real assurance you survive when landed)
Somewhat good for lethal hits (you can still live by chance)
Bad for spell hits (no protection at all)

Spell dodge:
Bad for attack hits (no protection at all)
Good for a lot of small spell hits (you completely avoid some)
Bad for big spell hits
Somewhat good for lethal spell hits (you can still live by chance)

Both approaches armor/evasion handle physical dmg well when used in conjunction with other mechanics. Evasion with dodge/spell dodge. Armor with shield or correct potioning.

Eventually it's much harder to stay alive from elemental spell hits in general. That's the main problem of both approaches and solution by additional resistances maybe needed or may not be enough at all.

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Faerie_Storm a écrit :

I would take acrobatics over iron reflexes any day.

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