I understand now why multiboxing is "excepted"

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Deadru a écrit :

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The complaint most people have is because most multiboxing does in fact use botting, so the player manually controls one character while the rest of the accounts follow and attack via bots, which is just pain cheating.

lol Another person that don't actually understand that there is no botting in multitasking. it is allowed in D3, it is allowed in PoE . It is not botting, there are no commands generated from within the game. The command comes from outside the game to each character and they execute them. In a bot all the commands are from a script internal to the game. This seems to be a hard thing for some to comprehend. Of course it is easier to do in a ftp game.

Actually, automating the sending of commands from one character to others in a way that would replicate that command on multiple characters while multiboxing is NOT allowed. If you want I can dig up a quote from a dev on this. Multiboxing for the purposes of you controlling multiple characters MANUALLY is allowed. You can say whatever you want on your definitions and what nots but I am sure you understand what is meant by this.

You can argue about how driver software etc does it, but this is all irrelevant. You shouldn't try to take it word for word, letter for letter, but the overall meaning which is conveyed by that.

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Lowlifepos a écrit :

Macros are precisely how multi boxing is done. Nothing is ever automated. The other characters do not automatically move and attack whatever you are attacking. A multi box program simply relays a button press to all game instances running. So let's say I have a ranger, witch, and Templar. I set each one up with skills in the appropriate slots. when I click the left mouse button to move my ranger it also sends that click to the other windows so the witch and Templar move as well. I then set up lightning arrow on the ranger to Q, Summon totem on the Templar to Q, and I don't know fireball on the witch to Q. When I hit Q all 3 chars use their respective skills. Nothing at all is automated. I used to do this on wow when I was farming. Haven't done it on POE because I hate setting the damn thing up.

And those macros are not allowed.

QUOTE: http://www.twitch.tv/destructoid/b/367425090?t=84M00S

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Aelloon a écrit :

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The complaint most people have is because most multiboxing does in fact use botting, so the player manually controls one character while the rest of the accounts follow and attack via bots, which is just pain cheating.

lol Another person that don't actually understand that there is no botting in multitasking. it is allowed in D3, it is allowed in PoE . It is not botting, there are no commands generated from within the game. The command comes from outside the game to each character and they execute them. In a bot all the commands are from a script internal to the game. This seems to be a hard thing for some to comprehend. Of course it is easier to do in a ftp game.

Actually, automating the sending of commands from one character to others in a way that would replicate that command on multiple characters while multiboxing is NOT allowed. If you want I can dig up a quote from a dev on this. Multiboxing for the purposes of you controlling multiple characters MANUALLY is allowed. You can say whatever you want on your definitions and what nots but I am sure you understand what is meant by this.

You can argue about how driver software etc does it, but this is all irrelevant. You shouldn't try to take it word for word, letter for letter, but the overall meaning which is conveyed by that.

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Lowlifepos a écrit :

Macros are precisely how multi boxing is done. Nothing is ever automated. The other characters do not automatically move and attack whatever you are attacking. A multi box program simply relays a button press to all game instances running. So let's say I have a ranger, witch, and Templar. I set each one up with skills in the appropriate slots. when I click the left mouse button to move my ranger it also sends that click to the other windows so the witch and Templar move as well. I then set up lightning arrow on the ranger to Q, Summon totem on the Templar to Q, and I don't know fireball on the witch to Q. When I hit Q all 3 chars use their respective skills. Nothing at all is automated. I used to do this on wow when I was farming. Haven't done it on POE because I hate setting the damn thing up.

And those macros are not allowed.

QUOTE: http://www.twitch.tv/destructoid/b/367425090?t=84M00S

Problem is you can't do anything about it. You can't even prove it. When the mouse button is clicked they move. When an attack key is pressed they attack. Without using scripts that interfere with the game client everything comes out looking like 6 different people playing. Also as has been stated. This can be done across multiple computers without even using a multibox program.

Bottom line is this is all GGG's fault.

if they were to make loot instanced this whole issue would solve it self and here is why:

they have this weird idea that having a FFA loot system would make their game so hardcore that people will start to ejaculate hardcore from their ears.

What many people started to do instead of this FFA loot thing is that they started to group with themselves to avoid the hassle of someone snatching their favorite drop....in game terms multiboxing is a sort of masturbation..."never a bad thing".


The weird part is while GGG still stubbornly enforce this FFA loot they allow multiboxing which trash their hardcore loot design because hey....people can still get double or quadruple the amount of loot without any FFA at all.

My only problem with multiboxing in POE is that you pretty much need a certain third party software in order to accomplish the boxing. POE restricts the ratio size of the screens, so even if you want to two box, the screens overlap making it a lot more difficult to box. So I am either forced to pay a third party, or fall behind the rest? Doesn't seem very fair honestly. I really wish GGG finds a way to disable this certain third party software. Boxing without software? Awesome if you can do it. If you need third party help in order to box, that should NOT be allowed.

I multi-box, and I use 3 summon witches with all the auras on.

It is very fun! I suggest you try it. Also, remember that it takes time to get used to multi-boxing. One thing I did to make it easier, is map a button to only run one screen at a time when needing to fix their positions.

It is rather difficult to get them the same movement speed and not have them block each other, thus making them separate a little bit.

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iizark1 a écrit :

My only problem with multiboxing in POE is that you pretty much need a certain third party software in order to accomplish the boxing. POE restricts the ratio size of the screens, so even if you want to two box, the screens overlap making it a lot more difficult to box. So I am either forced to pay a third party, or fall behind the rest? Doesn't seem very fair honestly. I really wish GGG finds a way to disable this certain third party software. Boxing without software? Awesome if you can do it. If you need third party help in order to box, that should NOT be allowed.

These points, questions and concerns come up again and again and again and again and aga......

They have been answered and addressed again and again and again and again and again and ag.......

So once again:

- There is NO RESTRICTION on using 3rd party software anywhere in the Terms of Use.

- There IS a restriction on using Automation.

- Multi-boxing does NOT USE AUTOMATION, it uses REPLICATION.

- Multi-boxing DOES NOT require 3rd party software in any case and there ARE SEVERAL HARDWARE ONLY SOLUTIONS. Software is a convenience and in any case, there is no restriction on using 3rd party software as long as it is not automation.

- At ANY point, the developers could make multi-boxing illegal by limiting accounts per person, but they have not. Therefore they allow it even if they do or do not approve of it.

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Sacada66 a écrit :

No such word as "Excepted" i think you mean accepted. And yes multiboxing is cheating theirs no argument here, anyone who tries to argue its not is simply a cheater in denial.

While you are right about excepted being incorrect, you are completely wrong about mulit-boxing being for cheaters. You are controlling multiple characters, while also having to gear those characters, and keep them together as well. It's actually MORE of a challenge.

Just after a week and everybody forgot that multi-client farming normal vaal for like >100 chaos in a few hours got us the nerf of chaos recipe?

If the developer thinks that its a good gaming experience for you to control multiple characters at the same time they may as well release a mode for you to do so, at least to me if there is no build-in mode for one to play multiple characters at the same time it means that this is not the way that the game is meant to be played.

Maybe afterall the developer just hasn't found a good solution/not worth the effort to ban this behaviour and enforce the ban. (all speculation)

Coding in such a way that whenever a new client is opened in the same machine will force close a already opened client is also a solution to prevent one to multi-client on the same machine, although you can still get multiple computer to do the job but considering the cost well its fine to me.

Guys.

/players 6.

/thread

Mkay?

Altadoc omg can you read? It doesnt matter that replication isnt automation, its still NOT ALLOWED in POE... Because it gives unfair advantage for players who use it... Here is quote of Chris post:

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Our current stance on multiboxing is that you're welcome to run multiple clients on the same machine, but you should be playing each one; and if you're using tools to proxy your input between them and stuff like that, then that's an unfair advantage. So if it's exactly the same as walking between 6 computers and you move the mouse on each one and control the characters, that's no problem at all. But as soon as you're running cheaty programs to make it so you're effectively running one guy with the power of 6, then that's a problem.

Then again- you can only move your all characters MANUALLY... Any way of trying to replicate your moves with your other characters is forbidden... You can use software like ISboxer, but only to have less laggs with multiple clients... You cant use any of macros in this program to duplicate your moves...

It doesnt matter that World of Warcraft, Diablo III or rest of sh1t games like this allow to replicate, in POE its forbidden... Chris said it himself, that means its end of discussion...