Something to learn from Diablo 4

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

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rifraf-_-#9478 a écrit :

Something to learn from D4. Avoid every single thing they’re doing at all costs 👍

I guess I overestimated POE2 audience's critical thinking. You don't even know what's going on in D4, I assume. Whatever, have fun if you like it this way

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Dxt44#4050 a écrit :

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

I wonder what is the precentage of players that use crafting as the main source of gearing. Is it even 10%? I have 300h and never used it, my friend with 700h never used it, we rely on trade.

That's one of the main issue you people struggle so much in this game. You pick all bases and craft them or you have AWFUL time.

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Echothesis#7320 a écrit :

Maybe it's just a habit speaking, but imo new poe2 crafting style without any way to re-craft existing item is terrible. Picking all bases for ONE craft attempt (which is 0.000...% success chance) is a huge time waste.

Wasn't big fan of poe1 crafting either, but at least there I could allocate my time better: gather enough essences and stuff, get ONE base and sit to craft it.

In poe1 self-crafted gear was 90% of my equipment, in poe2 its 5% (usually single ex slam on a yellow lol)

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 a écrit :

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

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rifraf-_-#9478 a écrit :

Something to learn from D4. Avoid every single thing they’re doing at all costs 👍

I guess I overestimated POE2 audience's critical thinking. You don't even know what's going on in D4, I assume. Whatever, have fun if you like it this way

There's something to learn from every game, but have you looked at the Steam charts to see how many people are playing D4 vs. playing PoE2? For all its faults, GGG has a successful formula. Why would it want to copy D4? Sometimes "critical thinking" doesn't stand up to data.

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rifraf-_-#9478 a écrit :

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

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rifraf-_-#9478 a écrit :

Something to learn from D4. Avoid every single thing they’re doing at all costs 👍

I guess I overestimated POE2 audience's critical thinking. You don't even know what's going on in D4, I assume. Whatever, have fun if you like it this way

“Critical thinking”, lol. Go back to Slop 4.

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

it seems like every aspect of the game I talked about is good in people's opinions

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Cyriac_Darakus#1022 a écrit :

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

I've tried current Diablo 4 after 300h of POE2, which I quit several months ago. Turns out, it's not that bad, and I'm having a blast. I encourage you to be objective, there is something to learn even though many consider D4 a disappointment

-Craft and trade
I wonder what is the precentage of players that use crafting as the main source of gearing. Is it even 10%? I have 300h and never used it, my friend with 700h never used it, we rely on trade. A HUGE mechanic like this, and it's never used by us, weird. Also, it's PhD level hard. In D4, crafting is NECESSARY, easy and somewhat deterministic. You can trade only base items, after you alter it, it's not tradeable. This got me to think that POE2 is a stock market simulator. Is this really more fun than D4 gearing system? Not for me, at least

-Meta and variety
Can you please stop punishing players for trying to have fun? What all the nerfs are about? In D4 you can play almost anything you like and see all the content. If you feel competitive, there is a pit pushing mechanic (arguably raw, but it exists). In 30h I saw all the content S11 D4 has to offer, and started to level twinks, which is fun, playing not only deep but wide. Good luck making same progress in 30h of POE2, on the build you enjoy the most

-Combat system
Turns out it's deeper in D4, in aspect of pressing buttons. Some builds utilize dash as attack skill, there are cooldowns to think about, crowd control. POE2 feels raw in comparison.

-Coop
Doesn't exist in POE2, period. Not that good in D4 eigter, but better and has more potential

Crafting

D4 has no true crafting, you improve the gear you find and you re-roll 1 stat, this is not crafting in any sense of the word. If you want good crafting go look at Last Epoch for that one. PoE 1's crafting is also good but far too complex for my taste.

Meta Builds

D4 absolutely has meta builds, just as badly as PoE 2, just as badly as Last Epoch. You absolutely cannot go take anything in D4 and do all content. All Content would mean you ARE clearing pit 150 because that is ALL content.

Combat

To say D4's combat is deeper is probably the incorrect term, more fluid and consistent is a better way to put it. And this is due to one reason.

Class based skills. Each class has its own set of skills and those skills are designed and taylored to work together.

PoE 2 has this to a much lesser degree, trying to build a game so a large majority of your skills have possibilities to work together instead of building skills that actually work together based on classes is far more difficult to do, D4 took the easy road.

Coop

Coop PoE 2 does exist, you can play maps with friends, you can fight bosses with friends. Have you not seen the dozens of threads asking for party play to be nerfed? By this token it appears to be working too well.

D4 may do the casual coop better but they wanted the game to be more multiplayer than not so they actually worked on it. For a game that was meant to be an ARPG Crossed with an MMO the multiplayer actually sucks and has quite a few issues.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 a écrit :

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

it seems like every aspect of the game I talked about is good in people's opinions

It's quite possible the things you say are good are reasons D4 is stagnating. Most critical: "play anything you like and see all the content" would imo cause PoE2 to financially crash.

But can I prove it? No. And neither can you. So please leave "logic" out of it, unless you have data and argumentation. You said things you like, and others said they wouldn't like them.

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AXiD_#1761 a écrit :

You can trade only base items, after you alter it, it's not tradeable.