Market gold sinks are a waste of player's time.

I think there kind of has to be some sort of a time sink to trading. Otherwise, botting, price manipulation, hoarding, etc, become quite problematic. Right now they are a manageable problem.

Games have various ways of dealing with that. Some games limit trades per day. Some games force limits to how much you can increase/decrease the offered price compared to the past prices. Some games promote the use of premium currencies, which are mainly created by buying them with real money, for trade. Other games have gold sinks. Some games combine many of those things.

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WhiteBoy#6717 a écrit :

Gold as a currency has always been a problem in games of this style, as it requires arbitrary sinks to make it relevant. This was the founding theory for PoE to not have gold as a currency, and instead have consumable currency items. It's a shame GGG decided to go against this design theory and reintroduce the same old issue.

The solution is simply to remove gold from the game, as it causes the aforementioned issue and also makes no sense in lore (all our characters should be infinitely rich after Act 3).

Path of Exile existed for a decade without any money in the game. Any system that requires a payment could be handled with consumable currencies.

I think this really mostly applies to games where gold itself can also be traded. That is what creates a problem. Without significant gold sinks, the amount of gold in the system would just keep increasing. Depending a bit on some other factors, either stuff becomes prohibitively expensive to the average player, or too cheap.

You can't trade gold in PoE, so there's no shared pool of it either.

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Securetate#3464 a écrit :

The whole fucking "game" is made to waste a players time.

As compared to games which give you tangible benefits that translate beyond whatever enjoyment you got from the game itself?

I mean, there's lots of educational games, if that's more your thing. Learn some math or language skills or whatnot while playing.

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tdonov5#2743 a écrit :

its a game, you're wasting time as it is?

Gameplay Loop:
play game -> earn gold -> trade

what you're asking is just:
trade -> trade

how will trade bots be slowed down then?

+1
Trade bots and Hide-out warriors and only currency traders are slowed down by this.

Side note:
Gold-tablets, Gold-maps, slaying monsters, playing the game. All drops Gold.
1. Selling all items for >100 or >1000 EXALTS is not intented.
2. Switching currency is possible but also not intented to do day in and day out.
3. Yes, if players does not have money for everything, so what?!

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tdonov5#2743 a écrit :

its a game, you're wasting time as it is?

Gameplay Loop:
play game -> earn gold -> trade

what you're asking is just:
trade -> trade


how will trade bots be slowed down then?

Because of 500k respec cost my gameplay loop:
Watch youtube, read icy-veins, maxroll, etc -> play a litle -> want to try something else -> watch youtube.

I spending more time in youtube or in build guides site than actually playing the game because i can't make mistake in passive skills because i don't have millions of gold for multiple respecs.

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varecMinosh#9121 a écrit :

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tdonov5#2743 a écrit :

its a game, you're wasting time as it is?

Gameplay Loop:
play game -> earn gold -> trade

what you're asking is just:
trade -> trade


how will trade bots be slowed down then?

Because of 500k respec cost my gameplay loop:
Watch youtube, read icy-veins, maxroll, etc -> play a litle -> want to try something else -> watch youtube.

I spending more time in youtube or in build guides site than actually playing the game because i can't make mistake in passive skills because i don't have millions of gold for multiple respecs.

At level 85, respeccing 80 points is ~330k.

And at the level, you're making 330k in an hour of play. Or less honestly.

I suppose that if you are also changing all 8 ascendancy points, it then gets closer to 500k. I would somehow assume that is not done all so often though.

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tzaeru#0912 a écrit :

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varecMinosh#9121 a écrit :

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tdonov5#2743 a écrit :

its a game, you're wasting time as it is?

Gameplay Loop:
play game -> earn gold -> trade

what you're asking is just:
trade -> trade


how will trade bots be slowed down then?

Because of 500k respec cost my gameplay loop:
Watch youtube, read icy-veins, maxroll, etc -> play a litle -> want to try something else -> watch youtube.

I spending more time in youtube or in build guides site than actually playing the game because i can't make mistake in passive skills because i don't have millions of gold for multiple respecs.

At level 85, respeccing 80 points is ~330k.

And at the level, you're making 330k in an hour of play. Or less honestly.

I suppose that if you are also changing all 8 ascendancy points, it then gets closer to 500k. I would somehow assume that is not done all so often though.

Level 93
one point cost around 4.2k
respecing 100 point 420k
Yesterday i decided to respec from crit build to totem based - 2 different directions + ascendancy
But build is bad - damage is not enough, can't see what is going on screen
Can't return to previous because of gold.
Exit the game

I need 2-3 hours for that - maybe i am slower player than you (not a deadeye) and it is so boring(also keep in mind when to drop a gold you don't get currency)