Rapidshot is still a mess

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Giamantis#6154 a écrit :

Its terrible design now as a skill in itself, as it seems to be pretty much unusable on its own. Maybe its great if you are a making a grenade build, but what if I want to make a rapid-shot build? Its forcing being used with another skill rather than optional. Any other skill that will become literally unusable under certain condition? Maybe, I don't know but its much worse than it used to be, when it was able to be used constantly. It had downsides as well as it was. Was it OP? I don't think it was massively used by a lot of people at all? Were there OP meta-builds using it? Even if so surely some better solution could have been thought of. Its easily now one of the worst skills I have ever encountered in any game, when taken as a skill on its own rather than something merely to buff something else.. If you can get used to it then cool, but you are being told how to play rather than it being something you can use any time or way you want. I also felt like I was watching the corner of the screen when I tried it, and thats not ideal gameplay either. I now see it as a previous favourite skill that is now effectively non-existent.

Yeah, not every skill is usable as main DPS. It's by design. I see no problem.

Hey OP, most commenters here are tripping, Rapidshot is lame af.

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Yeah, not every skill is usable as main DPS. It's by design. I see no problem.

You see no problem with a skill being objectively worse in function than it used to be, removing options and being pigeon-holed into using it in a specific way, like a pre-set build made for you? You didn't really address any point made. If you just want it for buffing grenades, you could do that before. Why make it the way it is now where you really can't do anything else with it? What benefits are there or improvements to making it the way it is now? I literally cannot see how anyone would prefer it this way, or what the designers were even thinking.

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Giamantis#6154 a écrit :

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Yeah, not every skill is usable as main DPS. It's by design. I see no problem.

You see no problem with a skill being objectively worse in function than it used to be, removing options and being pigeon-holed into using it in a specific way, like a pre-set build made for you? You didn't really address any point made. If you just want it for buffing grenades, you could do that before. Why make it the way it is now where you really can't do anything else with it? What benefits are there or improvements to making it the way it is now? I literally cannot see how anyone would prefer it this way, or what the designers were even thinking.

I didn't play it before. I play it now and I have lots of fun. That's all what matters really. If GGG change it in future, I will play it in different way or I will not play it at all. But now it's great and it still has highest DPS of all of my skills.

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I didn't play it before.

So when the discussion is specifically about how something has changed for the worse, you don't know what you are talking about and your opinion is irrelevant.

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Giamantis#6154 a écrit :

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I didn't play it before.

So when the discussion is specifically about how something has changed for the worse, you don't know what you are talking about and your opinion is irrelevant.

Really? And I thought it's just a rant about how bad it is without knowing how to use it properly. Silly me.

Yeah, you missed the point entirely. You can say you like it as it is now (which is something I could never agree with, as it is quite simply the worst designed skill in the history of gaming). But when poeple are saying they preferred it as it was, or it is much worse now than before, there's nothing you can add if you didn't use it before. I know how they intend me to use it now, and that is the problem.

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Giamantis#6154 a écrit :

Yeah, you missed the point entirely. You can say you like it as it is now (which is something I could never agree with, as it is quite simply the worst designed skill in the history of gaming). But when poeple are saying they preferred it as it was, or it is much worse now than before, there's nothing you can add if you didn't use it before. I know how they intend me to use it now, and that is the problem.

The reason why I didn't use it before is because I tried and it felt like a shit. Now it has some purpose at least.

What purpose it has now it didn't have before? The heat would buff grenades just the same. It felt like shit at first because of the delay in firing, that was a major downside in return for high damage once it ramped up. You could counter it to some extent with attack speed. But yeah the delay made it clunky and interruptable if you were dodging a lot or getting swarmed. But if I wanted to run around machine-gunning things non-stop I could. I could throw a grenade when I wanted, not on a 3 second timer or lose the use of the skill entirely. I know I still can with Armour piercing, but having more options is better than less.

The skill could have done without the delay, and still have disadvantage of needing to ramp up. Making it literally unusable was completely unnecessary. Idk, make it so it fires slower at full heat if you must restrain it for some reason, but why? Like this is painful to me. Even if you think its okay now, do you not think that it would be better without the potential stoppage? Throw a grenade when you want, instead of when you have to. Keep firing as much as you want, why not?

Tell me one other skill thats says "okay you used that for 3 seconds, thats enough now, pls throw a grenade or wait 10 seconds to use again"? No one in their right mind can think this is a good way to design a skill and I'm still stunned it even got changed this way never mind that people are defending it.

Crossbow skills ( except grenades ) are the most weak and slow skills off all weapons in game. Maybe it handle good pack of monsters, but in bosses sucks.