Deflection - Yea, I don't see the point.

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bestsss#7863 a écrit :

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YNRY#3842 a écrit :

Yeah I think all attacks can be evaded now. Acrobatics isn't in the game anymore.

I have never been able to avoid eternal knights "reflected" bolts with 70ish evasion, not once.

This is actually a good point. I don't think I have either. Might be worth asking about in bug reports.

I also don't think the green ray of death of the abyss mobs can be avoided, either.

Deflection only sucks because you can't reach 100% on it, you need to be able to reach 100%

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MathiasSoul#7397 a écrit :

Deflection only sucks because you can't reach 100% on it, you need to be able to reach 100%

Well yea. But if you can reach 100% esp over cap with Blind or similar then it becomes flat 40% DR which is better than armor in most cases. The mechanic can't win.

That's why I was originally comparing it to old 75/75 Dodge + 75% Block with 25-30% Flat DR. Statistically you could take 3 unmitigated hits in a row and die but it was insane odds.

Maybe far less investment but only give 25-30% is the key.

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Xzorn#7046 a écrit :

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MathiasSoul#7397 a écrit :

Deflection only sucks because you can't reach 100% on it, you need to be able to reach 100%

Well yea. But if you can reach 100% esp over cap with Blind or similar then it becomes flat 40% DR which is better than armor in most cases. The mechanic can't win.

That's why I was originally comparing it to old 75/75 Dodge + 75% Block with 25-30% Flat DR. Statistically you could take 3 unmitigated hits in a row and die but it was insane odds.

Maybe far less investment but only give 25-30% is the key.

I'm not saying Deflection is where it should be right now, because 100% chance would be appreciated, but where exactly do u see the "huge investment" ?

It's actually pretty easy to get more than 100% deflection dependency on evasion rating. I think I spent 10 points in deflection + 3 items with deflect as suffixes and I got ~40k deflection while having only ~30k evasion. Some of those points are also both for evasion and deflection, so u could scrap them in theory if u have enough evasion.

I mean if u want to, u can get 100% without spending a single point in ur tree. Just get the suffixes on items and ur deflection rating is as high as ur evasion.

My build (fully buffed):

EV = 31k eHP; 3k phys; 581k DPS

Switching to ES gear and some nodes in PoB:

ES = 40k eHP; 8.9k phys; 548k DPS

Little damage drop, significant eHP gain.

Energy Shield is still a must have on every single build that doesn't want to be glass cannon.

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/kamiknx-1162/character/Rilauhtakar

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kamiknx#1162 a écrit :

Energy Shield is still a must have on every single build that doesn't want to be glass cannon.

I found this HC character interesting. Seems to be 100% Evasion/Deflection plus DR from Tailwind.

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/abysshc/character/sudah-5935/DumbManCrossbowzo?i=55

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kamiknx#1162 a écrit :

Energy Shield is still a must have on every single build that doesn't want to be glass cannon.

ev/ar here with 25k EHP and I'm doing absolutely fine - 30/32 pinnacle passives and T16+2s are easy.

Like you guys genuinely seem to think defensive stats are "useless" unless you're literally immortal and I just don't understand why that's how you want to play the game. What are you even doing at 40k EHP besides clicking on colorful stuff on the screen until your eyes get tired? You might as well go to the casino and sit in front of the slots like those old people at least they get free drinks once in awhile.

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Sadaukar#2191 a écrit :

I mean if u want to, u can get 100% without spending a single point in ur tree. Just get the suffixes on items and ur deflection rating is as high as ur evasion.

Is that a good thing? PoE1 started this years back and I recall Johnathan saying some nonsense about how players like the play Glass Cannons. It's like no.... You just make the point value of defense options terrible and they design defenses to fail.

I remember before they "Fixed" Armor/Evasion in PoE1 I has an Ultimatum character built for the league. Run around in a circle and don't die. They had 1.4 mil max phys hit and 800k max elemental hit. Only 30% DR was from armor. Can't even get half that now.

On a side note about Armor.
I can attest it's not a fake stat anymore. It's not better than ES but it does something.

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Xzorn#7046 a écrit :

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Sadaukar#2191 a écrit :

I mean if u want to, u can get 100% without spending a single point in ur tree. Just get the suffixes on items and ur deflection rating is as high as ur evasion.

Is that a good thing? PoE1 started this years back and I recall Johnathan saying some nonsense about how players like the play Glass Cannons. It's like no.... You just make the point value of defense options terrible and they design defenses to fail.

I remember before they "Fixed" Armor/Evasion in PoE1 I has an Ultimatum character built for the league. Run around in a circle and don't die. They had 1.4 mil max phys hit and 800k max elemental hit. Only 30% DR was from armor. Can't even get half that now.

On a side note about Armor.
I can attest it's not a fake stat anymore. It's not better than ES but it does something.

I gotta be honest, I'm not sure anymore what the point is u're trying to make in this Thread.

First u're saying it's lackluster and takes way too much investment.

I agree that it's not perfect, but people pointed out that it still has a usecase because attacks exist that cannot be evaded, but can be deflected.
Then I said that Deflection doesn't need that much investment. U can get alot of it from the tree if u want to or u can get alot from gear. Best is probably to mix both because some nodes on the tree are multiplicative, but it's up to u.

The only problem with deflection right now is that it's based on RNG and u cannot hit 100%. It's just like old Evasion/Dodge in PoE without additional layers of defense. U'd have 75% chance to dodge and 80% evasion and if both failed u'd die.

It is miles better than what we had before 0.3 for pure evasion characters. I played one in 0.1 and even tho it worked after u've gotten Acrobatics and ~10k evasion, it was still very squishy once u got hit.

PS: The Eva/Armour rework in PoE was very good, because it lowered the floor for affordable defenses in PoE. Armour was basically unusable before that and evasion only worked with additional gimmicks and huge investments in dodge, block and so on.
Now the scalability of both is better and u can still combine them with other forms of mitigation to get very very tanky. I don't think u need 1mil+ ehp, but even that most likely still exists.