Is THIS Good Combat, GGG?

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Rakie1337#5746 a écrit :

Thank god for that. The people who paid for it should be getting what we paid for over the years.

This whole slow combat nonsense was a bait and switch, for YEARS they told us and showed us videos of POE 2 being exactly like POE 1 in every respect... then Elden Ring came out, and it destroyed GGG.

It's valid that you want it to be fast and zooming through maps.

But they don't have any obligation to fulfill for anyone. Just because you paid for PoE1 packs, doesn't mean they have to make this like PoE1. People didn't buy PoE2 design share, they bought PoE1 supporter packs.

If they want to make it fast — so be it. If they want meaningful combat, I'd be happier.

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KäsePizza#3007 a écrit :

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Rakie1337#5746 a écrit :

Thank god for that. The people who paid for it should be getting what we paid for over the years.

This whole slow combat nonsense was a bait and switch, for YEARS they told us and showed us videos of POE 2 being exactly like POE 1 in every respect... then Elden Ring came out, and it destroyed GGG.

It's valid that you want it to be fast and zooming through maps.

But they don't have any obligation to fulfill for anyone. Just because you paid for PoE1 packs, doesn't mean they have to make this like PoE1. People didn't buy PoE2 design share, they bought PoE1 supporter packs.

If they want to make it fast — so be it. If they want meaningful combat, I'd be happier.

It's not only those who paid for it. Most people prefer that and that's why it's the current gameplay. Per example I haven't touched POE 1 in 6 years and will never touch it again and I don't want a slow and tedious game play through mapping.

The only thing that I would ask for GGG to make harder are the pinnacle bosses or the special bosses. Other than that, mapping is a big grind and you have to do it over again and again. Making it slow and tedious is clearly not logical.

Currently, there are some builds that underperform extremely and the game feels like hard mode, while mega builds clear the entire screen.

I agree with you, everything needs to be rebalanced.

i respeced to titan muster summoner based on powered zealots (spark).

bosses are now less intimidating than a pack of white mobs. not even kidding.
they are dead on arrival.


i guess its fun but im not getting any better (not seeing any mechanics)

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Oinkaments#6390 a écrit :

It's not only those who paid for it. Most people prefer that and that's why it's the current gameplay. Per example I haven't touched POE 1 in 6 years and will never touch it again and I don't want a slow and tedious game play through mapping.

The only thing that I would ask for GGG to make harder are the pinnacle bosses or the special bosses. Other than that, mapping is a big grind and you have to do it over again and again. Making it slow and tedious is clearly not logical.

Oh all-knowing Oinkaments, please grant us your wisdom! Most people prefer zooming, in a game that is made so you die if you don't! Who would have thought!

But for real, we neither got any relevant statistics for who prefers zooming, nor for who would want real combat or who would be fine with both. There is just no way to know. And don't tell me most will prefer it cause it's 80% the PoE1 community — I have played my fair share of PoE1 and I would prefer this game to be different — surely not the only one with this opinion and surely there are people who just want PoE1 again.

Also, we can't know — because there has not been a single ARPG that does have a lot of depth in how you can build your character AND real meaningful combat.

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KäsePizza#3007 a écrit :

Oh all-knowing Oinkaments, please grant us your wisdom! Most people prefer zooming, in a game that is made so you die if you don't! Who would have thought!

But for real, we neither got any relevant statistics for who prefers zooming, nor for who would want real combat or who would be fine with both. There is just no way to know. And don't tell me most will prefer it cause it's 80% the PoE1 community — I have played my fair share of PoE1 and I would prefer this game to be different — surely not the only one with this opinion and surely there are people who just want PoE1 again.

Also, we can't know — because there has not been a single ARPG that does have a lot of depth in how you can build your character AND real meaningful combat.

If only GGG actually made the most simple thing to do ever.... a survey asking the players specific questions. Every nothing-burger gacha game does those... somehow not a thing for them...

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IonSugeRau1#1069 a écrit :

If only GGG actually made the most simple thing to do ever.... a survey asking the players specific questions. Every nothing-burger gacha game does those... somehow not a thing for them...

Thing is that its hard to weigh the PoE1 experience against something that never existed. You can't really know if you would like what PoE2 could be — going down a meaningful combat road — if you've never really played it.

Also, a game studio shouldn't be forced to do what the majority wants, they should make what they want to do. If there's no passion in a game, it ends up like D4. I think both target audiences are big enough to make the development costs acceptable aswell, and I'm sure they have made quite a bit of money off of mtx. I am trying to make myself heard, for if they still want to make the slower and combat oriented game, they should know there are players who would like to see it. Also, they might need some change in approach, that's why I try to give as many ideas as how to “fix” the combat as possible. Ofc I will be sad if they end up creating PoE1 again, but it's their choice what to do.

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KäsePizza#3007 a écrit :

Also, a game studio shouldn't be forced to do what the majority wants, they should make what they want to do. If there's no passion in a game, it ends up like D4. I think both target audiences are big enough to make the development costs acceptable aswell, and I'm sure they have made quite a bit of money off of mtx. I am trying to make myself heard, for if they still want to make the slower and combat oriented game, they should know there are players who would like to see it. Also, they might need some change in approach, that's why I try to give as many ideas as how to “fix” the combat as possible. Ofc I will be sad if they end up creating PoE1 again, but it's their choice what to do.

Which is why it was extremely disgusting to see them constantly bullied by content creators and a big part of the poe1 player base into making it what they want not what the developers wanted.

I still remember in settlers league how some asshole made a character "PoE2WillFlop" or something like that only to die at the top of the leaderboard for everyone to see and the constant complaining in the chat about PoE2's combat direction too and pretty much everywhere else.

If anyone wonders why I'm rude with these people.. well.. you shouldn't.

While am at it... youtube blessed me with another "gem"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8DuXvlNL0E

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teksuoPOE#2987 a écrit :

bosses are now less intimidating than a pack of white mobs. not even kidding.

That is a sad state for bosses.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 a écrit :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8DuXvlNL0E

Forgot to mention, after showing this video to a friend he said:

"Oh.. so not only does the player not need to do anything, so does his minion. Riveting gameplay"

I thought that was a sad but very true remark there lmao.