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The Problem of PoE2 so far is that ~70% of content is a placeholder copied from PoE1, and contradicts game vision implemented in acts.
Most of endgame mechanics apply time pressure, support gems provide power creep, monsters are too dense and too fast. It all contradicts declared "meaningful combat", "utility over damage", etc.
Dernière édition par LeadRaven#6291, le 4 févr. 2025 04:56:41
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Posté parLeadRaven#6291le 4 févr. 2025 04:55:51
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The problems as I see them is that this game was billed as not an addon too POE1 but a completely different game, so lets take a look at it.
The game starts in apparently whats left of wraeclast which is from POE1, we then get to complete 3 starting areas and then repeat them all over again which is from POE1 then we get to maps same as POE1 but it isnt is it because this time even though the maps are nicely made they are the biggest grind of any arpg ever made. From the moment you spawn to the moment the map ends its just kill kill kill, which lets face gets very boring very quickly.
Oh I almost forgot about your chosen characters or as they are called The First ones from POE1.
Something I want to ask here is what is the point of having portals when you load a map, if you die they all disappear. Surely you cant have forgotten how to code that to work correctly, I no its early access but thats kind of taking the ****.
Dernière édition par Spurilious#4012, le 4 févr. 2025 05:06:01
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Posté parSpurilious#4012le 4 févr. 2025 05:03:42
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Becase GGG repeatedly lied to its loyal customers and sold us something they werent making
No, it's those loyal customers lied to themselves and to GGG that they want meaningful action game. If they would clearly state that they want simple clicker game with complex underline mechanics as PoE 1 right now, GGG would never state that it is the game for them. Jonathan had an illusion that PoE 1 players are on the same page with him in terms of how aweful and stupid combat in PoE is and that they want these changes as much as he does.
Dernière édition par Suchka_777#4336, le 4 févr. 2025 05:11:33
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Posté parSuchka_777#4336le 4 févr. 2025 05:08:46
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I've logged in 300h so far in PoE2 and I'm still having a blast.
I don't understand the pure hate coming from players in this forum.
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I have 400h in Poe2 EA and I hate it! The game sucks, GGG is just like all the other companies now, quick cash grabs, we're getting scammed
No man, you're not.
So far from what I experienced this game has more content than any AAA 70$ unfinished game nowdays.
And the funny thing is, Poe2 is actually unfinished...
Yes, the game has issues but how can you expect otherwise from EA? I've never played an EA game to the point where I think about it non stop while not playing it, thinking about how I can build my character further & what to do next. Browse the trading site while I'm at work because I'm just too invested.
I didn't play Poe1 because it was just too complicated and overwhelming for me so maybe I just don't get the point since I see a lot of complains are coming from Poe1 players.
But think about the fact that you just clocked 300h+ into the game and then call it trash? How does that even work? If you try out a game, play maybe 10h, realise it's just not for you and then quit, okay. But spending hundreds of hours into a game and then just ranting about it doesn't really make sense to me. What kept you going for HUNDREDS of hours?
This post is just really to give out some positive feedback about the game since 90% of the threads here are just simply saying the game is bullshit.
I enjoyed the campain, I had a hard time with the monk in the beginning but I liked the class and I just wanted to keep going and boy oh boy was it worth it. The general boss design is amazing, the gameplay feels nice & the endgame is quite fun in my opinion.
Even tho I am one of the people who has to restart their whole PC everytime I launch the game for the first time of the day because my whole system just freezes. I'm still loving this game, man.
There are obviously a lot of improvements needed. But I feel like people are playing EA expecting way too much and that's just unrealistic. For an EA game, this is beyond the majority of other EA games when it comes to content & mechanics.
Also, from what I saw GGG is pretty transparent about their game. Just look the latest interview about the 0.1.1 patch. Just humble guys. You don't get that with the majority of game developers nowdays.
So players, please chill your asses out and understand that this is an EA game, still in development, if you are not happy with it, don't play it. But don't say "I have 400h and this game just purely sucks ass". Doesn't make any sense, man.
Anyways, looking forward for upcoming patches and the new league. Great game so far!
The game is in EA. Everything that is positive can be negative on release. Thus your love for the game is unwarranted.
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Posté parAssababud#2808le 4 févr. 2025 05:26:38
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Becase GGG repeatedly lied to its loyal customers and sold us something they werent making then killed all work on the game we love. All to try and get the casual player like you to like the game.
I have news for you, POE2 IS ALMOST EXACTLY POE1. Its just missing a lot of POE1 content and they managed to screw up systems that were working perfectly for years. POE1 was never that complicated to play, all it lacked is marketing and new player onboarding.
Well, I can't really judge on that. The only thing I can say is that since I got so invested into Poe2. Poe1 was also getting more interesting for me, so I started doing some research on Poe1. I watched a ton of videos and to me it doesn't really look like Poe2 is just exactly like Poe1.
Also, it's the 2nd part of a game francise. If you look at any other game that releases a 2nd part. Do you expect it to be something completely different?
I wouldn't.
I don't know what you're talking about GGG lying and stuff. But since this is a EA game, I'm pretty confident that the content that all the Poe1 players are missing is still yet to come.
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And again I just have to say. Keep in mind that it is early access. You sound like they realeased a fully finished game without the possibility of changes. Which is just not the case at all.
You don't know, but want people to be quiet? Why not look into what those people are saying? Maybe you'll reduce your optimism a bit.
Who's to say that it will get better? You only have an early access game to go by, and by your logic it isn't complete, so you cannot make a determination over it. Well, unless you're positive on the game, then that opinion matters.
Dernière édition par Assababud#2808, le 4 févr. 2025 05:34:04
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Posté parAssababud#2808le 4 févr. 2025 05:33:38
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To be honnest, thats pretty the same between some historic players of PoE1.
For example, Ben made a video explaining that for him, PoE2 should not exist. Some other historic players comments it and some of them said they agree with him, when others like Quin69 and GhazzyTV said they liked PoE2 so far, they understand why game is made this way and have hope for future of the game.
But even the most hater of Po2 say the campaign is fantastic so far !
The main difference for me, between people who just said they hate the game and others who said they loved playing it, is about 2 main things :
- the way you play the game : build made, skills played, stuff bought or SSF,...
- the empathy you have for devs (and how to dev a game) and community (fact dozens of thousands of players are still playing and so, enjoying PoE2).
If you just play while making an OP build, buying stuff on trade,... you should say that PoE2 loot are useless, crafting non-existent, end game boring,... But if you play in other ways, you would find loot more exciting, crafting rewarding, end game engaging,...
And for 2nd point, if you are just thinking about yourself and what do you want, and dont want to see that PoE2 is a success and a lot of players are still playing this game, you cant see how good the game is and still what another PoE1.
Next content for PoE2 would tell us the way GGG take for their game. Im sure less and less people would hate it in future, cause game would be more balanced !
Dernière édition par Legoury#0138, le 4 févr. 2025 05:40:17
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Posté parLegoury#0138le 4 févr. 2025 05:38:17
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Becase GGG repeatedly lied to its loyal customers and sold us something they werent making then killed all work on the game we love. All to try and get the casual player like you to like the game.
I have news for you, POE2 IS ALMOST EXACTLY POE1. Its just missing a lot of POE1 content and they managed to screw up systems that were working perfectly for years. POE1 was never that complicated to play, all it lacked is marketing and new player onboarding.
Well, I can't really judge on that. The only thing I can say is that since I got so invested into Poe2. Poe1 was also getting more interesting for me, so I started doing some research on Poe1. I watched a ton of videos and to me it doesn't really look like Poe2 is just exactly like Poe1.
Also, it's the 2nd part of a game francise. If you look at any other game that releases a 2nd part. Do you expect it to be something completely different?
I wouldn't.
I don't know what you're talking about GGG lying and stuff. But since this is a EA game, I'm pretty confident that the content that all the Poe1 players are missing is still yet to come.
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And again I just have to say. Keep in mind that it is early access. You sound like they realeased a fully finished game without the possibility of changes. Which is just not the case at all.
You don't know, but want people to be quiet? Why not look into what those people are saying? Maybe you'll reduce your optimism a bit.
Who's to say that it will get better? You only have an early access game to go by, and by your logic it isn't complete, so you cannot make a determination over it. Well, unless you're positive on the game, then that opinion matters.
I never said I want people to be quiet. I'm just saying that I don't know what the person is talking about exactly. I'm happily going to look into that.
My point is just that from what I've seen so far, it's going pretty great. Why would I be negative about it then?
I've always heard that Poe1 is very popular in it's community and GGG is very trustworthy. Yes, I could be wrong. But with that in mind I don't see the point of ranting about GGG or Poe2 just because people are currently not happy with the game. Especially because it is EA and there is plenty of room for improvements.
Negative feedback is good but not if you just say "the game sucks". That's why I made this post in the first place.
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Posté parAkariyu#0710le 4 févr. 2025 05:44:21
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I've logged in 300h so far in PoE2 and I'm still having a blast.
I don't understand the pure hate coming from players in this forum.
People saying
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I have 400h in Poe2 EA and I hate it! The game sucks, GGG is just like all the other companies now, quick cash grabs, we're getting scammed
No man, you're not.
So far from what I experienced this game has more content than any AAA 70$ unfinished game nowdays.
And the funny thing is, Poe2 is actually unfinished...
Yes, the game has issues but how can you expect otherwise from EA? I've never played an EA game to the point where I think about it non stop while not playing it, thinking about how I can build my character further & what to do next. Browse the trading site while I'm at work because I'm just too invested.
I didn't play Poe1 because it was just too complicated and overwhelming for me so maybe I just don't get the point since I see a lot of complains are coming from Poe1 players.
But think about the fact that you just clocked 300h+ into the game and then call it trash? How does that even work? If you try out a game, play maybe 10h, realise it's just not for you and then quit, okay. But spending hundreds of hours into a game and then just ranting about it doesn't really make sense to me. What kept you going for HUNDREDS of hours?
This post is just really to give out some positive feedback about the game since 90% of the threads here are just simply saying the game is bullshit.
I enjoyed the campain, I had a hard time with the monk in the beginning but I liked the class and I just wanted to keep going and boy oh boy was it worth it. The general boss design is amazing, the gameplay feels nice & the endgame is quite fun in my opinion.
Even tho I am one of the people who has to restart their whole PC everytime I launch the game for the first time of the day because my whole system just freezes. I'm still loving this game, man.
There are obviously a lot of improvements needed. But I feel like people are playing EA expecting way too much and that's just unrealistic. For an EA game, this is beyond the majority of other EA games when it comes to content & mechanics.
Also, from what I saw GGG is pretty transparent about their game. Just look the latest interview about the 0.1.1 patch. Just humble guys. You don't get that with the majority of game developers nowdays.
So players, please chill your asses out and understand that this is an EA game, still in development, if you are not happy with it, don't play it. But don't say "I have 400h and this game just purely sucks ass". Doesn't make any sense, man.
Anyways, looking forward for upcoming patches and the new league. Great game so far!
The game is in EA. Everything that is positive can be negative on release. Thus your love for the game is unwarranted.
Same goes vice versa for the people who clocked in 400h+ and just make a thread saying "the game sucks". Their hate for the game is unwarranted.
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Posté parAkariyu#0710le 4 févr. 2025 05:47:44
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I never said I want people to be quiet. I'm just saying that I don't know what the person is talking about exactly. I'm happily going to look into that.
My point is just that from what I've seen so far, it's going pretty great. Why would I be negative about it then?
I've always heard that Poe1 is very popular in it's community and GGG is very trustworthy. Yes, I could be wrong. But with that in mind I don't see the point of ranting about GGG or Poe2 just because people are currently not happy with the game. Especially because it is EA and there is plenty of room for improvements.
Negative feedback is good but not if you just say "the game sucks". That's why I made this post in the first place.
And I feel the same. People shouldn't make positive claims like, "I enjoyed the campain, I had a hard time with the monk in the beginning but I liked the class and I just wanted to keep going and boy oh boy was it worth it. The general boss design is amazing, the gameplay feels nice & the endgame is quite fun in my opinion" without going into explicit 200 page doctorate degree report about it.
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Posté parAssababud#2808le 4 févr. 2025 06:02:23
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Or maybe the feedback requires thorough examination? The most valid feedbacks are often done after spending hours understanding, examining, repeating to confirm issues.
People who spent time understanding the problems also like the game to be better, but at the same time remain critical to the problems.
All of these are not exclusive of each others. And funny enough that you don't realize certain issues can only be confirmed after reaching endgame which is very grindy. Even with Grinding Gear standard.
You can't talk about pinnacle problems without first farming for it. You cannot repeat the issues without repeating farming for it. Unless you RMT or have a entire guild to support your finding.
The game is intentionally time wasting.
Dernière édition par DutchMilk#4689, le 4 févr. 2025 06:07:45
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Posté parDutchMilk#4689le 4 févr. 2025 06:02:27
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