Path of Exile 2 does not have to be Path of Exile 1.

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 a écrit :

diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

0.1 had a handful of items to get excited over and they nerfed every one of them into the ground except for astramentis

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MrPedez#4934 a écrit :

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 a écrit :

diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

0.1 had a handful of items to get excited over and they nerfed every one of them into the ground except for astramentis

I still love D2 to this day and play at least a couple of weeks each season, love what they did with the druid in D2R my favorite class now. My biggest issues with poe 2 is the lack of interresting, build defining uniques and i think many areas/maps are way too huge compared to the pace of the game. Played poe 1 since 2013 with probably close to 15k hours, but in the later years it kind of began to feel bloated and unbalanced due to way too many new splinters, currencies and stuff to constantly collect/pick up. On top of this the speed/power creep just became too much and the balancing was based on the top tier best performing builds which meant a lot of funny non meta builds just could not compete anymore or didnt even work at all.

D2 got the area size just right :) not too small, not too big but just smack in the middle. Which would u rather have? a huge area with thousands of meaningless white trash mobs and 8-10 rare mobs, or a smaller area with less trash mobs but more magic and rare mobs and a more meaningful combat ??

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The game has no idea what it wants to be, and GGG don't seem to be able or willing to say what they want it to be, either.

It's also unclear what exactly GGG want from this Early Access. Supposedly feedback, but what kind of feedback?

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Azimuthus#1135 a écrit :

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The game has no idea what it wants to be, and GGG don't seem to be able or willing to say what they want it to be, either.

It's also unclear what exactly GGG want from this Early Access. Supposedly feedback, but what kind of feedback?

Sad truth is they know what. As I said before, the vision is to sit on two chairs. They want BOTH new people and POE1 people in the game. And everything they do with the game right now comes exactly from this vision. But this won't work. They will have to choose eventually - either make "2024-demo type of POE2" with "meaningful combat" they've actually shown in those vids (but lose all POE1 players because zoom-zoom and 1000 divs per hour won't exist anymore), or make it full POE1-2.0 with fast-easy 2h campaign, endless powercreep and maps done in 30 seconds.

There is also a 3rd route. Leave all POE1 players in POE1 and just update it as before with 3-m leagues. But for some reason (and they confirmed it themselves) they want POE1 players to play POE2. Donno why. Maybe the real plan is to shut down POE1 completely, move all players to POE2 making it POE1 2.0 as was planned from the very start and try to attract some +new players with fake promises about "meaningful combat": you see, here is your parry; you see, here is your raise shield; but sorry endgame is 1 button zoom-zoom and will always be. And right now all endgame is designed exactly for 1 button zoom-zoom. Breaches, rituals, delirium, hundreds of very similar maps you must do each spammed with tons of mobs - all that is designed with 1 button zoom-zoom in mind. You are playing endgame incorrectly if you try to approach it with any kind of "meaningful combat".

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To be clear, I'm not suggesting "removing SC from the game" or anything, but PoE 1 being as zoomy as it is, is more like an unintended way to be able to play the game that they never completely figured out how to fix for SC.

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Azimuthus#1135 a écrit :

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To be clear, I'm not suggesting "removing SC from the game" or anything, but PoE 1 being as zoomy as it is, is more like an unintended way to be able to play the game that they never completely figured out how to fix for SC.

They didn't have to. HC players, just like as SSF players, is a minority. They balance the game around SC with trade only. And this is why you see all these speedy mechanics like breach. Kill as fast as possible, as many as possible. Here are skills for that. Here are supports for that. Here are passives for that. That's the intentional design.

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GregoryAdams#7051 a écrit :

The funny thing is that if you play PoE 1 on HC, it's actually not that zoomy at all.

The game has always been balanced around needing both offense and defense, but if the consequence of completely ignoring defense is maybe losing a few % XP every now and then, since you instantly vaporize everything anyway, you can just ignore it completely. That way your character is always effectively many times stronger than it should be, and that's where the zoom comes from.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting "removing SC from the game" or anything, but PoE 1 being as zoomy as it is, is more like an unintended way to be able to play the game that they never completely figured out how to fix for SC.

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GregoryAdams#7051 a écrit :

I don't know. GGG have historically not been exactly great at communication, and I really wish they were a bit more clear in that regard.

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MrPedez#4934 a écrit :

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GregoryAdams#7051 a écrit :

I don't know. GGG have historically not been exactly great at communication, and I really wish they were a bit more clear in that regard.

This is nowhere near the truth, you clearly havent been part of the community for very long or at least havent been paying attention to what has been going on since the early days of poe 1. Yeah they had a bit of a long break during the holiday season but i think you will find it very hard to find a company in the gaming industry today that spends more time listening to feedback and providing changes than GGG.

This doesnt mean i agree with the current direction of poe 2 nor do i disagree on everything they are doing and one thing i do know is, its never going to be poe 1 and for that i am actually glad even though i have played poe 1 for like 15k hours.

They dont necessarily need to be online 24/7 making posts on every single minor change or answering every single question on the fly, what they need is viable feedback that they can use to make their decisions and everyone deserves to spend their holidays with their families. And to be honest, i have been part of this community since 2013 so i know exactly how much have changed since then and i know that at some point poe 2 will be in a much better state than today, but im not impatient and i dont expect everything to be fixed within a few days.