[3.19] 🔨⚡ Trickster 1-button Lightning Conduit! (Mjolner CWC) ⚡🔨 | 5-15m sDPS - Pinnacles melt!

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primaeva a écrit :

UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:

Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??

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BasedDong a écrit :

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primaeva a écrit :

UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:

Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??

Bruh... I alrdy spent like 25 divs on the trickster..

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Erikthethird a écrit :

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primaeva a écrit :

UPDATE:

When fiddling with the Inquisitor I realised just how much the Attack Speed vs Cast speed discrepancy matters.

Having too much attack speed brings the number of times Arc/Shock Nova applies shock to like, 2, when our LC is firing 3x a second.

This is a 50% decrease in potential DPS.

This is also why adding Galvanic Field feels so good = it ticks on the boss at full efficiency and lies outside of the restrictions.

I apologize to everyone for not investigating this relationship further and will come up with some charts / solutions on how to min/max this part. Any assistance will also be greatly appreciated.


Also, I want to reiterate, if you have like 50+ Div to blow, absolutely roll Inquis, the damage potential is just way higher.


NEW RESEARCH GOAL:

Spoiler

What is the most efficient way to bring up the trigger rate of Arc/Shock Nova so that it matches the CWC cooldown on Conduit?

Also, maybe something like Ball Lightning (which hits multiple times independently of proc) will work better?

Storm Call + Cascade??

There is a guy named RicoKGB that used to do Mjolner builds with all sorts of ascendancys for multiple years, from patch 2.x all the way to 3.1x i know he did alot of research on how to balance cyclone attack speed with Mjolner and CDR, back when it was played as Arc/Discharge before GGG killed trigger Discharge, i know it might not translate exactly into Conduit cast speed calculations since its so new, but maybe you can find some info in one of his old threads that could be helpful, this is one of them: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1846362 - theres a section named About target APS for Cyclone.

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BasedDong a écrit :

Why did you change corrupted soul for eternal youth tho?

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Gamingtwink a écrit :

ignore my crap in the spoiler

Spoiler

EDIT: i found a COC APS/CDR calculator, where you can play around:

https://www.geogebra.org/m/nzz5cc9e

we surpass the breakpoint at about 4 aps, so i think we wanna be a bit below 7.5 aps (0,13)



Edit Edit:

7.4 aps 0% CDR = 3.7 Novas
4.2 aps 9% CDR = 3.7 Novas
4.9 aps 27% CDR = 4.9 Novas

I dont think we need maximum trigger rate, but optimal trigger rate for LC

Edit³:

Awakened CWC has 0.3 sec CD, which would translate to approx 3.33 casts/sec
with 7.0 aps (0.14 attack time) and 0% CDR we get about 3.5 novas / sec, but i have no idea, if this leaves too much or too little time for server ticks



Edit 4:

I think i got it - you calculate Novas/Arcs per second and use the cast rate as attackspeed for a second calculation with your CWC cooldown:

with 0% CDR and lvl 5 ACWC
5.8 aps 0.25 CD = 2.9 Novas/Arcs per second
2.9 Novas/Arcs per second = 2.9 LC Triggers per second

EDIT: Cast while channeling doesnt work with cooldown recovery rate. It can only be used to optimise Mjölnir cooldown with attackspeed

see https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/e5pyr8/the_cyclone_cast_on_critical_strike_cooldown/

Example:
COC CD: on gem 150 ms / Tickrate 33ms
150/33=4.5
33ms x 5 full ticks= 165 ms

1000ms / 165 ms = 6,06 aps - this lines up with the reddit post :D
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MjölnirCD: 8x33ms = 264 ms
ACWC LVL5: 9x33ms = 330 ms

1000 ms / 264 ms = 3.78 aps or 7.56 aps to maximize Mjölnir trigger rate.
1000 ms / 330 ms = 3,03 aps to ensure that every Mjölnir proc is followed by a LC proc

If we get one or two Ticks off the Mjölnir CD with CDR Gear it would improve the arc trigger rate and possibly shift the asp closer to to the inflated asp of trickster.

Mjölnir CD: 7x33ms = 231 ms
1000 ms / 231 ms = 4.32 aps (Breakpoint around 9% CDR)

Mjölnir CD: 6x33ms = 198 ms
1000ms / 198 ms = 5.05 aps (breakpoint around 27% CDR)

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BasedDong a écrit :

Why did you change corrupted soul for eternal youth tho?

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primaeva a écrit :

Hmm I got a bit lost in those last two lines - isn't going for 3.03 APS the best case scenario here so it's completely synced or only desynced once ever, say, 10 cycles? (fewest skips)

Or is that only possible if we had DECREASED cooldown reduction that made Mjolner trigger as close to 0.3 as possible?

(A 3.03 APS with 100% accuracy would seem to work best as, while the Mjolner is ready to go again every 0.25 sec, the attack doesn't come in till 0.04/0.05 later, allowing for a "syncing" for the next 25 cycles when the 0.01 desync costs you a LC proc.)