[3.14] Kami's Life | LL | CI CoC Ice Nova Assassin | all Content | deep Delve | max Block

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Mastodonic a écrit :

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todnesser a écrit :

At <14 CDR you need to stay below 6 APS

At 14-51% CDR you need to stay below 7.57 APS

At 52%+ CDR you need to stay below 10 APS

Otherwise you half your DPS.

What? No
This is wrong. This is 100% wrong and terrible terrible advice to give re. cd reduction and attack speed.

Staying below 7.57 aps as your cd reduction increases is a massive dps loss. As you cd reduction increases, so do the number of potential procs/sec you can achieve with increased attack speed.

At 20 to 50 cdr you can achieve 8 or 9 procs/sec if you attack speed is 8 to 10aps proportionally
Further, if you overshoot the break point, you can hit it again with enough extra attack speed. It's not static

Also at sub 14 cdr, even 0 cdr you still need MORE than 6aps to achieve 6 procs/sec.

and at 52cdr plus you lose another proc/sec by being below 10aps. you actually need to be between 10 and 10.2 aps to manage 10 procs

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todnesser a écrit :

Massive pile of garbage

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Mastodonic a écrit :

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todnesser a écrit :

Massive pile of garbage

You're wrong about being under 6aps for 0% cdr. 100% wrong
You're also wrong about 52% cdr, you can achieve 10 procs including server ticks and want 10.1 aps

You're correct about 14-51% being a waste after 7.57

So welldone, you're 33% right. Only 66% of your advice was garbage

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Meltis a écrit :

is there any reason why 21/23 ice nova is cheaper than vaal ice nova 21/23 ?

I can use vaal 21/23 for both slots or ?

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TheSniper580 a écrit :

So i think i found 2 things that may improve the Build a little bit.
#1 on the tree instead of going for the Blast Radius cluster u should go for the Arcane Expanse Cluster. It gives more aoe, more Damage and even a little bit of ES.

#2 on the large cluster jewel u can get 1 more Notable called Widespread Destruction which gives 20% ele dmg and 10% AoE and it has the same amount of nodes that need to be used so it a free dmg upgrade.

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todnesser a écrit :

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Mastodonic a écrit :

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todnesser a écrit :

At <14 CDR you need to stay below 6 APS

At 14-51% CDR you need to stay below 7.57 APS

At 52%+ CDR you need to stay below 10 APS

Otherwise you half your DPS.

What? No
This is wrong. This is 100% wrong and terrible terrible advice to give re. cd reduction and attack speed.

Staying below 7.57 aps as your cd reduction increases is a massive dps loss. As you cd reduction increases, so do the number of potential procs/sec you can achieve with increased attack speed.

At 20 to 50 cdr you can achieve 8 or 9 procs/sec if you attack speed is 8 to 10aps proportionally
Further, if you overshoot the break point, you can hit it again with enough extra attack speed. It's not static

Also at sub 14 cdr, even 0 cdr you still need MORE than 6aps to achieve 6 procs/sec.

and at 52cdr plus you lose another proc/sec by being below 10aps. you actually need to be between 10 and 10.2 aps to manage 10 procs

This assumes that there is no server tickrate, while it's 33 MS.

CoC default CD is 150 ms.

150/33 = 4.5454

4.54 gets rounded up to 5, 5 * 33 = 165

This means an attack every 5th frame (Or every 165 ms) can trigger CoC.

1000/165 = 6.06

6.06 APS is the maximum you can get without CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 12.12 APS.

With 14% CDR you can reach 4 frames:

150*0.86 = 129

129/33 = 3.9090

3.9090 rounded up to 4, 4 * 33 = 132

This means an attack every 4th frame (Or every 132 ms) can trigger CoC.

1000/132 = 7.57

7.57 APS is the maximum you can get without getting more CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 15.15 APS.


At 20% cdr with 8 aps attacks should happen every 125 ms if you disregard server tick rate, which will result in ~50% dmg loss:

0 ms: cdr of coc is 0, gets triggered with 4 frames CDR (132 ms)

125 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms

250 ms: cdr of coc is 0, get triggered with 4 frames cdr (132 ms)

375 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms

With 20% CDR and 8 APS, half your attacks don't trigger CoC.

People should really not give advice, without having proper knowledge.