Bex's Four-Year Community Manager Anniversary

Congratulations, Bex! But wow, you must have been a BEAST in that former game. Glad you´ve change that :D

So I dare to quote this now:

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Are there any responsibilities and difficulties in managing a highly-vibrant community that people might not expect?

I think one of the toughest parts is the misunderstanding that us not addressing something publicly means we didn't notice or don't care about the issue. There's many reasons why we might not be able to comment about something yet but we're always paying attention. I am actually lucky in my position that I work alongside such an engaged development team. Of their own volition, most developers keep a frequent eye on community feedback

To be honest, if you want to see any feedback at all, you have to search reddit for it. There are close to zero responses from GGG in this official forum and if you see some, then it´s usually a reminder to stick to the forum rules.

I´ve given up on giving in depth feedback due to the lack of feedback from the developers. We as the community often feel our feedback just "poofs" and it´s rather a waste of time to write it down.

In case you are reading this, it might be something you as GGG might want to improve. It could be something as small as a "GGG has read this" tag.

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HaraldMKutscher a écrit :

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starcv1907 a écrit :

You dont have a single supporter transaction yet you complain about a game for which you have to pay for having different mods available for it....would you pay 60$ annually to get updates but have those mods available?

It's also a joke you're shook no one responded to your added chaos damage not being available...seriously that's an issue for you?

if you don't like the game as much as you imply stop playing no one is forcing you

Edit: Bex thanks for all that you do some people appreciate the work even though we dont let you know as much as we should

I complain about that business modell enforcing design decisions that damage the game.

And yes, I payed full price for Diablo 1, Hellfire, and two CD Sets of Diablo 2 and LOD (for LAN-muling). I did not support POE for reasons explained at length here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2086273
I am talking about freedom for independent modmakers up to total conversions.

And there are many, many other bug reports or game mechanics questions on the forum that were very simple to clarify but remain uncommented.

And about your tip to stop playing - do you see a challenge counter besides my name? I'm just checking back occasionally to see if things improve or not...

You talk about games where the online component was not a thing in their time. Now, if i tell you that the LOD CDROM you bought for 50$ had nothing on it just an unlock of content that was on the D2 CDROM (like paid DLC) would you have bought it ?

Now onto PoE itself, it an online game, not the thing on the side that you can forget. It works server wise for multiple components. For modding to work, you would have to do it server side (like Minecraft) and client side.

In a previous post you talked about the modder that made MeridianXL, that modder was hired by Crate Entertainment to work on Grim Dawn, which like D2, is an offline highly moddable game.

So maybe PoE is not the type of game you should looking for. Personnaly, i support GGG because they are really making a good game. Is it perfect ? No of course not, you just have to see the post in my signature to see that i have quite some concerns about the game. Why i have those concerns ? Because i love the game and want it to be better. Does will this happen if they are not supported ? No...

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starcv1907 a écrit :

You dont have a single supporter transaction yet you complain about a game for which you have to pay for having different mods available for it....

if you don't like the game as much as you imply stop playing no one is forcing you

Since when is buying supporter packs necessary no voice complaints? The game is free to play, know what free means?

'If you don't like ...' is so lazy, come up with something fancier.
If you don't like water with copper, don't drink it. See how it works?


So yes, dear publisher/devs, don't add stuff to the game if ther's no intention to expand/rework inventory. If it means going payed route so be it. Tiny ass inventory, tiny ass stash. Other arpgs have less stuff to deal with and bigger inventories, what there is now just doesn't work.

Read all of it! Thank you Bex, never have i experienced such involvment from the developers of a game! What's a baeclast thought? *seagull cries in the distance*

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Black__Dawn a écrit :

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starcv1907 a écrit :

You dont have a single supporter transaction yet you complain about a game for which you have to pay for having different mods available for it....

if you don't like the game as much as you imply stop playing no one is forcing you

Since when is buying supporter packs necessary no voice complaints? The game is free to play, know what free means?

'If you don't like ...' is so lazy, come up with something fancier.
If you don't like water with copper, don't drink it. See how it works?


So yes, dear publisher/devs, don't add stuff to the game if ther's no intention to expand/rework inventory. If it means going payed route so be it. Tiny ass inventory, tiny ass stash. Other arpgs have less stuff to deal with and bigger inventories, what there is now just doesn't work.

From all ARPG's i've played since Diablo I, all arpg's have a limited inventory space and a limited inventory stash.
As of my knowledge, only Titan Quest and Grim Dawn have a decent stash space and inventory management is the same for all.

Online games are once again different. You don't have do have a lot of items and yet all my MMO's stashes are full of useless things i keep in the case of... They dont sell stash spaces, but you pay a 15$ sub fee and expansions every 6 month... The only MMO that gives tyou infinite stash space is EvE Online, and the trade off is : stashes are localized in a space system, not accessible from everywhere.

In Path of Exile, either you have stashes to have no problem, or you filter what items you take for what you need at the moment. I see no problems in bying stash space. My only real poroblem here is the clunky trading system...

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Azarhiel a écrit :

In a previous post you talked about the modder that made MeridianXL, that modder was hired by Crate Entertainment to work on Grim Dawn, which like D2, is an offline highly moddable game.

So maybe PoE is not the type of game you should looking for. Personnaly, i support GGG because they are really making a good game. Is it perfect ? No of course not, you just have to see the post in my signature to see that i have quite some concerns about the game. Why i have those concerns ? Because i love the game and want it to be better. Does will this happen if they are not supported ? No...

Yes, I am aware of Grim Dawn and it seems very promising, but I just don't like the Victorian/Science fiction story background. Not that I had anything to say against it as a game; the setting is simply not my taste. For the same reason I'm also not completely happy with POE stretching too far out of the medieval genre by bringing in Science fiction elements, pirates and stuff like that.

I have read and enjoyed your feedback on Betrayal. Constructive criticism (arguments and suggestions) actually helping the game was my main point. Like many other posters in this thread I had already given up on trying to contribute feedback, but Bex' unexpected expression of appreciation for that motivated me another time.

And yes, I am fully aware that we veteran Diablo 1 fans are probably the most difficult player group for POE because comparison makes us expect so much more from it.
POE no doubt is still a very good game, in fact the only up to date alternative to D1 and D2. No wonder players who didn't grow up with these two worship POE as something unique.
It was just so extremely frustrating for me to see POE becoming good enough to compete, but not good enough to beat these old masterpieces. For a while it felt like GGG just needed to make a small step in the right direction to finally replace them, and so I used to post a lot of criticism - to help them making this small step. But after some time this started to feel really pointless.

I think they also would earn a lot of public respect if they simply explained their attitude on some questions. If, for example, there really is an artistic (and not just business) reason why we need a map system instead of waypoints, why it is good for the game to be stuck with tier 7 at high levels for sustainance reasons or not being able to do our daily mission because we just don't happen to own this particular map right now - I'd love to hear that argument.

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Black__Dawn a écrit :

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starcv1907 a écrit :

You dont have a single supporter transaction yet you complain about a game for which you have to pay for having different mods available for it....

if you don't like the game as much as you imply stop playing no one is forcing you

Since when is buying supporter packs necessary no voice complaints? The game is free to play, know what free means?

'If you don't like ...' is so lazy, come up with something fancier.
If you don't like water with copper, don't drink it. See how it works?


So yes, dear publisher/devs, don't add stuff to the game if ther's no intention to expand/rework inventory. If it means going payed route so be it. Tiny ass inventory, tiny ass stash. Other arpgs have less stuff to deal with and bigger inventories, what there is now just doesn't work.

You make a useless point, water and minerals are essential to life whereas a video game is not. Too many miserable people on the forums incessantly complaining about dumb things 24/7 about a free to play game....yes IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT and dont come to a congratulatory anniversary forum to bitch...keep your trolling to the regular forums

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HaraldMKutscher a écrit :

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starcv1907 a écrit :

You dont have a single supporter transaction yet you complain about a game for which you have to pay for having different mods available for it....would you pay 60$ annually to get updates but have those mods available?

It's also a joke you're shook no one responded to your added chaos damage not being available...seriously that's an issue for you?

if you don't like the game as much as you imply stop playing no one is forcing you

Edit: Bex thanks for all that you do some people appreciate the work even though we dont let you know as much as we should

I complain about that business modell enforcing design decisions that damage the game.

And yes, I payed full price for Diablo 1, Hellfire, and two CD Sets of Diablo 2 and LOD (for LAN-muling). I did not support POE for reasons explained at length here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2086273
I am talking about freedom for independent modmakers up to total conversions.

And there are many, many other bug reports or game mechanics questions on the forum that were very simple to clarify but remain uncommented.

And about your tip to stop playing - do you see a challenge counter besides my name? I'm just checking back occasionally to see if things improve or not...

checking back occasionally to see if things improve? so you don't actually take time to play the game but you come on the forums to see if things "have improved" (whatever that means), post and then complain?