Regarding Stygian Vise -Suggestion-

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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Wazz72 a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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In fairness I feel like a 2h RT build gets so little from those jewels that if ur base of choice is leather then yeah, styg is straight up better. If its rustic? I dunno that u can beat a rustic on all those builds for damage without getting into 'on kill' bullshit that drops off on a lot of important boss moments etc. I will still use a rustic on a couple of builds tbh.

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Well from my little experience (lv 89 RT Sunder using 2H Axe) a jewel with 2 damage mods of the right type - nothing insane - beats a 24% rustic, dps wise, esp when your char is high lvl. And on top of those mods jewels can have flat life and other things u need (more dps, atk spd, stats, res, etc.).

I feel GGG have already nerfed the droprate of stygian belts ( imho, could be also my RNG, and will probably make them a lot rarer and gated behind Zana once the league is over. But that won't change the fact that they are - together with good abyss jewels - BiS for most builds.

if ur talking about adding flat damage to the axe then how that is weighed against the % from a rustic is down to how brutal ur axe is and how much flat added phys ur already pumping into it and how much % increased u already have. when ur looking at 560+ top end phys on ur axe with only 1.35 aps and ur adding another 15 or something its not rly doing a great deal, unless u went absolutely beserk on % increase from the tree.



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Agreed, the better your weapon is, the better %incr compared to flat phys will be; and the more *%incr you have on tree etc. the better flat phys will become. That's basic math.
That's why I said I was speaking from my little experience and perspective. In my case I have what I consider a somewhat decent weapon (at least for SSF, Hezmana's Axe) and a lv89 tree balanced between life ('cause HC) , survivability ( mostly EndCharges and armor) and damage, plus a few jewel slots that give both. In this particular setup (kinda common imho, in 2H RT builds) Stygian+decent jewel beats rustic.

+1 to the idea that Stygian should drop in abyssal depths only.

what about a double edge change like better stats than normal belts but in exchange they get less flask slots?
this way they wont have to deal with boatloads of legacys and vise would become a nich belt rather than the go to.

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caboom a écrit :

what about a double edge change like better stats than normal belts but in exchange they get less flask slots?
this way they wont have to deal with boatloads of legacys and vise would become a nich belt rather than the go to.

yeah thats similar to my original suggestion where people who use stygian are only limited to using abyss jewels in their tree therefore losing them alot of % life and % increased dmg,that way stygians wont go legacy.

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sidtherat a écrit :

the root cause are abyss jewels - these are completely stupid and values of mods (and some of the mods themselves) are beyond insane

Abyss jewels would be fine if the belt itself could only roll 2 or 3 mods IMO. Its just having mods as well is just daft.

Its ~3 mods or changed implicity: 1 abyss socket, 30-50% socketed jew eff.

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WindFaLL95 a écrit :

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caboom a écrit :

what about a double edge change like better stats than normal belts but in exchange they get less flask slots?
this way they wont have to deal with boatloads of legacys and vise would become a nich belt rather than the go to.

yeah thats similar to my original suggestion where people who use stygian are only limited to using abyss jewels in their tree therefore losing them alot of % life and % increased dmg,that way stygians wont go legacy.

making the existing ones not go legacy, is that a good thing though? Standard isnt a place for balance, thats just throwing all of us who actually bought stygians for what they are under the bus in a league where I still have a legacy kaoms, legacy aegis, legacy accuities...

balance is for leagues. Standard will be over run by elder belts eventually, very few life builds with the finances to be picky are going to use anything other than an elder belt in standard within the next year or so.

Going to be honest, I really gotta wonder who the heck was in charge of balancing for these; I really have a hard time figuring out HOW a belt with the ability to get 6 mods plus a jewel that can have multiple mods got Greenlit.
This isn't hard to see would be OP, its pretty simple math; more mods is going to be mean a more powerful item unless there's some hefty drawbacks. This is literally 1st grader level simple to see that this was going to be OP.


The whole jewel thing is neat and all, and I like the idea behind it, but its really, really boneheaded balanced. it feels kind of boring when only one item type of belt is going to be the one you're looking for, yeah?