Vaal pact, Brutal Fervour, developers fail.

Hi, guys, I understand you trying to balance things around a new vaal path.
But, with this nerf you force players who use to play without vaal pact with balanced (not OP, builds) to must have a new vaal pact!

It is a very very bad derision to force players to build around 1 single keystone.
I dunno who working in your development team, but clearly they are bad at this.

I give 1 clever example how to balance things without destroying other (balanced not OP builds).

Vaal pact:
Life leech per second is doubled.
Base maximum life leech is doubled. (base means it double only base portion (that all characters have from lvl 1 without any nods and items) which is 20% or 25% cant remember)
Life regen has no effect.

Same thing for Brutal Fervour.
Brutal Fervour:
maximum life leech rate is increased by 20% (in other words multiplayer by 1.2) (vaal pact has no effect)
cannot be stunned while leeching
immune to bleed while leeching

If you guys don't want to see abusing mechanics in certain nods/ascendancy interactions, made a clever change (remove the exact interaction which you don't like to see).
Why you never thinking about trashing builds that are not abusing OP interactions between keystones????

I'm really disappointed every single path your development team killing a significant amount of build which are not even close to being OP, just because they not smart I guess?!

Have you GGG even try to recruit smart ppl to a development team?
If you have problems with staff in such a big department, open job vacancy take some interviews, find more workers.

Idk, open job application for developing department I will sing it.

I was thinking the exact same thing here. Slayers never had to take vaal pact and never were forced to take it since it was decent as it was and not too overpowered in the instant leech meta. Now Slayer Vaal Pact will always be the choice. Slayer ascendancy doesn't provide other defense than leech. Gladiator has block, champion has permanent fortify, juggernaut has endurance charges and armor, etc.

They also said that they will be revisiting maximum leech rate overall, so expect any other build that took leech rate over vaal pact, to also be forced into vaal pact. When you balance things around that keystone it will be the exact same problem again.

GGG can't understand that they balanced monster damage and all ascendancies in the bottom right of the tree around a single keystone therefore being absurd not to take it. It's their fault due to failed balance killing any sense of choice.

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IIPheXII a écrit :

I was thinking the exact same thing here. Slayers never had to take vaal pact and never were forced to take it since it was decent as it was and not too overpowered in the instant leech meta. Now Slayer Vaal Pact will always be the choice. Slayer ascendancy doesn't provide other defense than leech. Gladiator has block, champion has permanent fortify, juggernaut has endurance charges and armor, etc.

They also said that they will be revisiting maximum leech rate overall, so expect any other build that took leech rate over vaal pact, to also be forced into vaal pact. When you balance things around that keystone it will be the exact same problem again.

GGG can't understand that they balanced monster damage and all ascendancies in the bottom right of the tree around a single keystone therefore being absurd not to take it. It's their fault due to failed balance killing any sense of choice.

I'm glad that I'm not alone.
I really hope they start thinking about attracting new ppl to development department.
I'm never abusing OP build during ligues, just playing balanced builds which is strong only when you put alot of effort on it (items, like 100+ exalts).
An i'm tied to delete all of my effort every time they "balance" meta which I didn't even play....

People still asking for clever changes, not realising after all these years that clever changes require clever developers...

As long as Rory holds so much power over this game's balance, it will just keep getting worse. [Removed by Support] He's literally never, ever, in the history of PoE, made an inspired or interesting addition to the game. They were all either bad (such as what he did to Reduced Mana) or blatantly OP (like Ngamahu's).

This is not the issue of development, that would be that awful optimization, but an issue of game design. However I agree, kinda.
I didnt like the previous iteration of VP either. Previous VP was must have for every build except slayer, summoning builds or builds which were too far away from it. New VP feels like must have for every build except summoning builds or builds which are too far from it.

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kovarda a écrit :

This is not the issue of development, that would be that awful optimization, but an issue of game design. However I agree, kinda.
I didnt like the previous iteration of VP either. Previous VP was must have for every build except slayer, summoning builds or builds which were too far away from it. New VP feels like must have for every build except summoning builds or builds which are too far from it.

It is horrible, in less than one year we was restricted from many variations of (ES builds/Life regen Builds/vaal pact builds/non vaal pact life steal builds) to play only HP only Vaal pact or summoners (which builds by the way also saw a better time).

I see where it goes. Casual game where u dont need to think about where u spending talents, because eventually there will be only 1 way to do it. like D3 and recent WoW. Just pick class then u done with your build.

They can't win with vaal pact. No matter what they do to it, people complain. I've been seeing complaints about it since the game was released 4 years ago. Some complaints say it's too powerful. Some complaints say it's too mandatory. When the nerf it, there are complaints that it's still too powerful and mandatory and there are complaints that now it sucks.

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mark1030 a écrit :

They can't win with vaal pact. No matter what they do to it, people complain. I've been seeing complaints about it since the game was released 4 years ago. Some complaints say it's too powerful. Some complaints say it's too mandatory. When the nerf it, there are complaints that it's still too powerful and mandatory and there are complaints that now it sucks.

You miss the point.
When they trying to nefr/balance things, like vaal pact, they destroy balanced not OP builds than was not even taking vaal pact keystone...

It is (there is should be some hate speech). If they don't wanna to see certain keystone interactions like new Vaal Pact+Brutal Fervour, they must do some think like Vaal pact has no effect, or Vaal pact effect reduced to 80% when u allocate Brutal Fervour....

That it all happy. But no they prefer to do assstorming rather than brainstorming when developing. As a result ppl who not playing vaal pact on slayer and other classes now must go and pick that shitty keystone....

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Emperor_home a écrit :

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mark1030 a écrit :

They can't win with vaal pact. No matter what they do to it, people complain. I've been seeing complaints about it since the game was released 4 years ago. Some complaints say it's too powerful. Some complaints say it's too mandatory. When the nerf it, there are complaints that it's still too powerful and mandatory and there are complaints that now it sucks.

You miss the point.
When they trying to nefr/balance things, like vaal pact, they destroy balanced not OP builds than was not even taking vaal pact keystone...

It is (there is should be some hate speech). If they don't wanna to see certain keystone interactions like new Vaal Pact+Brutal Fervour, they must do some think like Vaal pact has no effect, or Vaal pact effect reduced to 80% when u allocate Brutal Fervour....

That it all happy. But no they prefer to do assstorming rather than brainstorming when developing. As a result ppl who not playing vaal pact on slayer and other classes now must go and pick that shitty keystone....

If slayer wasn't even a thing, this nerf would still have happened. It was instant leech that everybody complained about. Not just slayer plus instant leech.

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mark1030 a écrit :

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Emperor_home a écrit :

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mark1030 a écrit :

They can't win with vaal pact. No matter what they do to it, people complain. I've been seeing complaints about it since the game was released 4 years ago. Some complaints say it's too powerful. Some complaints say it's too mandatory. When the nerf it, there are complaints that it's still too powerful and mandatory and there are complaints that now it sucks.

You miss the point.
When they trying to nefr/balance things, like vaal pact, they destroy balanced not OP builds than was not even taking vaal pact keystone...

It is (there is should be some hate speech). If they don't wanna to see certain keystone interactions like new Vaal Pact+Brutal Fervour, they must do some think like Vaal pact has no effect, or Vaal pact effect reduced to 80% when u allocate Brutal Fervour....

That it all happy. But no they prefer to do assstorming rather than brainstorming when developing. As a result ppl who not playing vaal pact on slayer and other classes now must go and pick that shitty keystone....

If slayer wasn't even a thing, this nerf would still have happened. It was instant leech that everybody complained about. Not just slayer plus instant leech.

Have you even read?
Why they wipe builds that not even use vaal pact?
I can come up with 10 ideas how to balance vaal pact and not wipe other builds that wasn't use it at all.
That the point.