[3.17] For Slayer / Champion - Ngamahu Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

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CadmiumFlow a écrit :

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SirLimbo a écrit :

Bought a Xoph and Enlighten 4 then tried Anger/Flammability/HoA and I only had 6 mana left to use..... that was expensive and didnt work. What gives??

How is this better than Impresence with Anger + Flammability + HoA ??? Considering now I cant run anger + flammability and HoA when using Xoph???

Because Flammability (and all curses for that matter) is simply not that good outside of helping you clear trash faster which this build can already do fine without. Everybody needs to realize that curses were nerfed hard when you absolutely need them the most. There is a 60% reduced effectiveness penalty vs map bosses and a whopping 80% reduced curse effectiveness vs guardians and shaper. At 80%, a level 20 Flammability is reducing Shaper's fire resistance by approximately 8% (down from 44% vs trash).

Xoph's on the other hand gives you a guaranteed 10% fire penetration vs all targets, so you're already into positive damage territory from that. Then, you save at least 6 points on the tree, allowing you to allocate more life or head over to Primeval Force for even more guaranteed fire penetration. Finally, you also cover all enemies in ash when they hit you - including bosses, which reduces their movement speed by 20% and increases fire damage taken by 20%. This won't fail you when you need it the most, in fact it be more guaranteed to activate since a hard boss will hit you plenty.

Finally, if you don't believe me, plug it into PoB. Here are the numbers for me vs Shaper/Guardians:

(I have not activated any flasks or any other temporary on-kill buffs like Onslaught or Frenzy charges. These basically middle-of-the-fight numbers.)

Current build, with Impresence + Anger + Flammability + HoA
Cyclone DPS: 176K
Meatball DPS (per ball): 17.2K

With Xoph's in PoB, it's important to check the "Is the enemy covered in Ash?" box because this is triggered when the enemy hits you, and Guardians are probably going to hit you.

Replace Impresence with Xoph's, disable Flammability, allocate all nodes defensively
Cyclone DPS: 209K
Meatball DPS: 20.6K
(I also gained approximately 400 life)

Replace Impresence with Xoph's, disable Flammability, allocate nodes towards Primeval Force
Cyclone DPS: 234K
Meatball DPS: 23.2K

Let's say 3 balls hit. I'm going from 227K DPS with Flammability to 303.6K DPS with Xoph's and Primeval Force. This is a nearly 35% damage increase. That's why Xoph's remains BiS for this build.

As for being unable to run all 3 with Enlighten, I'm going to guess you need more max mana because an Enlighten level 4 is an 88% mana modifier. (50+35+25)*.88=96.8. So you'll need that 3.2% to be a more significant amount.

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CadmiumFlow a écrit :

Because Flammability (and all curses for that matter) is simply not that good outside of helping you clear trash faster which this build can already do fine without. Everybody needs to realize that curses were nerfed hard when you absolutely need them the most. There is a 60% reduced effectiveness penalty vs map bosses and a whopping 80% reduced curse effectiveness vs guardians and shaper. At 80%, a level 20 Flammability is reducing Shaper's fire resistance by approximately 8% (down from 44% vs trash).

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_Tiem a écrit :

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CadmiumFlow a écrit :

Because Flammability (and all curses for that matter) is simply not that good outside of helping you clear trash faster which this build can already do fine without. Everybody needs to realize that curses were nerfed hard when you absolutely need them the most. There is a 60% reduced effectiveness penalty vs map bosses and a whopping 80% reduced curse effectiveness vs guardians and shaper. At 80%, a level 20 Flammability is reducing Shaper's fire resistance by approximately 8% (down from 44% vs trash).

I will echo this. EW looks great on your gloves. It really does. Albeit being a level 10-12 curse, having an additional ~30% penetration looks amazing, but it's actually one of the biggest noob traps. Once you put respectable gear together, clearing maps is only hindered by your movement speed, not your damage. In lieu of this, it is a far better investment to pick up a pair of gloves with Temp Chains on hit. The added slow won't help much with Shaper/Elder/End-game bosses but does wonders in clearing maps (and is a defensive boost as well), especially in more open maps. We can't run toxic sewers all day ;)

Everyone is always so yolo on damage when rounding out the weaknesses of a build nets a you better experience on the whole.

It's one thing to be scraping by on a 4L without Xoph's and some key components of this build, but entirely different when you have all the preemo gear and have so much overkill damage that stacking even more nets you literally nothing.

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CadmiumFlow a écrit :

Thank you for the kind words! And thank you for the wonderful build and guide, as well as your continued dedication in supporting it. It's pretty amazing you're still here 374 pages later posting several-paragraph long replies to everyone's questions.

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bravo373 a écrit :

What is better Two-stone ring with 20% fire dmg or Opal ring with 23% elemental...Bcs i have this

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Mesiance a écrit :

Thanks for the replies and keeping the build updated, going to grab and anger and start leveling it and look for a watcher's eye jewel.

Should i also focus on changing up colors/gems for my weapon and chest? I guess i grabbed the info for them before they were updated and now its a bit confusing with the back and forth amongst the comments on what is best.

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SirLimbo a écrit :

Also I guess I need to figure out then what gems to run instead of flammability and blasphemy now that I have free sockets

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Djangooo a écrit :

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_Tiem a écrit :

I will echo this. EW looks great on your gloves. It really does. Albeit being a level 10-12 curse, having an additional ~30% penetration looks amazing, but it's actually one of the biggest noob traps. Once you put respectable gear together, clearing maps is only hindered by your movement speed, not your damage. In lieu of this, it is a far better investment to pick up a pair of gloves with Temp Chains on hit. The added slow won't help much with Shaper/Elder/End-game bosses but does wonders in clearing maps (and is a defensive boost as well), especially in more open maps. We can't run toxic sewers all day ;)

Everyone is always so yolo on damage when rounding out the weaknesses of a build nets a you better experience on the whole.

It's one thing to be scraping by on a 4L without Xoph's and some key components of this build, but entirely different when you have all the preemo gear and have so much overkill damage that stacking even more nets you literally nothing.

I totally agree with you but ele weakness still provides -6.2% resistance on guardians and shaper which is still a huge DPS boost once you start reaching the bigger numbers.

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Irra_set a écrit :

thoughts on switching warchief and golem so he's cwdt?

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Djangooo a écrit :

I totally agree with you but ele weakness still provides -6.2% resistance on guardians and shaper which is still a huge DPS boost once you start reaching the bigger numbers.