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YoursTruly86 a écrit :


They designed the loot in such a way that a class/build will find items much easier and at the same time, not required for their build/class.

And why did that happen?

Because the developers wanted us to trade or play other new class/builds for gaming longevity.


Are you sure? IMO it's the sheer amount of uniques available and the unweighted RNG that makes it seem like that.
Out of hundreds of uniques a limited number are useful to you, so it's only normal that those you're looking for don't drop while others do.
And yes, GGG like trading for some reason, which is why we still have no, nor had, not even as a limited time event, SSF in the game.
However, what you write sounds as if you think that drops are actually rigged. I don't believe they are.

I'm also playing a summoner in Breach and normal Labyrinth was kind enough to leave me these:
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Pretty useful drop. :D
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YoursTruly86 a écrit :


They designed the loot in such a way that a class/build will find items much easier and at the same time, not required for their build/class.

And why did that happen?

Because the developers wanted us to trade or play other new class/builds for gaming longevity.


Are you sure? IMO it's the sheer amount of uniques available and the unweighted RNG that makes it seem like that.
Out of hundreds of uniques a limited number are useful to you, so it's only normal that those you're looking for don't drop while others do.
And yes, GGG like trading for some reason, which is why we still have no, nor had, not even as a limited time event, SSF in the game.
However, what you write sounds as if you think that drops are actually rigged. I don't believe they are.

I'm also playing a summoner in Breach and normal Labyrinth was kind enough to leave me these:
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Pretty useful drop. :D


I ALREADY SAID THAT IT IS AN OPINION AND THUS, IT MAY NOT BE A FACT.

BUT, JUDGING FROM YOUR TONE AND CHOICE OF WORDS, YOU SOUND AS IF I AM TELLING A LIE.

REMEMBER YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I CAN HAVE MY OPINION, SO LEARN HOW TO READ PROPERLY AND DON'T SOUND AS IF THE OTHER PARTY IS TELLING A LIE.

AND BY THE WAY, THAT PAIR OF BOOTS ONLY COST 1 ALCHEMY AND SO IT WASN'T MUCH OF A BIG DEAL.

From the way you speak in all your posts not just in this thread, you seemed to be a casual player and probably have not played in merciless mode or maps before.

Experience that first maybe then you are in a better position to say more about loot drops?


Dernière édition par YoursTruly86#4027, le 13 déc. 2016 à 21:20:58
1. Please learn to quote. It's not hard but it's often hard to follow your quote stacks because things get tangled.
2. No need for caps. They don't make your posts better but rather make you look angry.
3. Sorry, the "Just my opinion ..." was such a long way away from "They designed the loot in such a way that...", that it rather sounded like a fact.
4. Learn the meaning of IMO. I said "Are you sure? IMO it's the sheer amount of uniques..." That's exactly what you are raging about when you say "REMEMBER YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I CAN HAVE MY OPINION". I have my opinion, you have yours.
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YoursTruly86 a écrit :
AND BY THE WAY, THAT PAIR OF BOOTS ONLY COST 1 ALCHEMY AND SO IT WASN'T MUCH OF A BIG DEAL.

Irrelevant. These boots are very good for summoners and I've seen builds that use them for endgame. And since your reply, which I then replied to, was to a person saying you shouldn't use Poe.trade in the first place, to which you disagreed by saying "I just want to say that certain item will never drop for me or even it drops, it will take very very very long for it to drop."
6. "From the way you speak in all your posts not just in this thread, you seemed to be a casual player and probably have not played in merciless mode or maps before." - Feel free to check my characters. My profile is public. If it is not (I just checked, it should be), let me know and I'll make it so. You're partly right. I've never played merciless or maps in Breach.
7. Please be aware that in a meaningful discussion you don't just pile up opinions, but dispute them. This means that people disagree and put their opinions against, for example, yours. Sometimes one side has facts while the other side only has opinions, although these days this doesn't count for much and facts are labelled opinions and vice versa. However, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have something personally against you or are out to get you. And if you're not willingly put forward things that are actually false, that is not a lie, but a mistake. In short: I'm not accusing you of telling lies, I'm trying to show that in my opinion you are mistaken. As some sort of evidence, even rather poor evidence, I left the boots, so that my opinion wouldn't just sit there in a vacuum.
8. Have a nice day. I see you're only 3 challenges away from the Portal effect. I hope I can get 24 this league. :D
Bird lover of Wraeclast
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Te sientes tan fuerte que piensas - que nadie te puede tocar
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Mikrotherion a écrit :


1. Please learn to quote. It's not hard but it's often hard to follow your quote stacks because things get tangled.

Ans: People write whatever they want so they have the FREEDOM to quote or not to quote so you cannot FORCE them to quote if they do not want to.

2. No need for caps. They don't make your posts better but rather make you look angry.

Ans: That's your PERSONAL interpretation. Some people simply cannot comprehend understand what other people wrote so perhaps writing on caps will enlighten them and of course that's my opinion. By the way, i write whatever i want as long its not against the TOC, so you cannot force me to write in a way that is only based on your liking.


3. Sorry, the "Just my opinion ..." was such a long way away from "They designed the loot in such a way that...", that it rather sounded like a fact.

Ans:

This is what I have wrote in my earlier post


"Just my opinion but I just want to say that certain item will never drop for me or even it drops, it will take very very very long for it to drop.

Let me quote you an example."

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Whatever that I have wrote after this phrase, "Let me quote you an example" , IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IN THIS STATEMENT , " Just my opinion but I just want to say that certain item will never drop for me or even it drops, it will take very very very long for it to drop".

And so it is linked and it is a continuation of what I have wrote or an idea that I wished to express. Please refer to my earlier posts.

It is NOT what you have described it as " was such a long way away from" and " rather sounded like a fact"

Seriously, learn how to read. LOL

4. Learn the meaning of IMO. I said "Are you sure? IMO it's the sheer amount of uniques..." That's exactly what you are raging about when you say "REMEMBER YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I CAN HAVE MY OPINION". I have my opinion, you have yours.

Ans: If you have understood point 3 above, you WOULD have know that it is an opinion so there is no need to ask "are you sure?" and so there is NO NEED to answer irrelevant stuff. Because it's my opinion, of course I am 100% sure and that goes without saying.

And when you used the word "raging", it you own your PERSONAL interpretation that I am raging AGAIN lol.

5. It is relevant.

You only need to write the name of the item that you found "bones of ullr" for convenience but your actions suggest otherwise.

That boots cost only 1 alchemy which means it is VERY CHEAP and INSIGNIFICANT and so there is no need to brag about the boots and go as far as to link that boots (including the picture) LOL.

6. "From the way you speak in all your posts not just in this thread, you seemed to be a casual player and probably have not played in merciless mode or maps before." - Feel free to check my characters. My profile is public. If it is not (I just checked, it should be), let me know and I'll make it so. You're partly right. I've never played merciless or maps in Breach.

Ans: Sorry, I don't check in other people's profile to find any excuse to fault them. If i really want to fault them, its based on their argument, not just some paper profile that means nothing to what they are trying to discuss.

7.Please be aware that in a meaningful discussion you don't just pile up opinions, but dispute them. This means that people disagree and put their opinions against, for example, yours. Sometimes one side has facts while the other side only has opinions, although these days this doesn't count for much and facts are labelled opinions and vice versa. However, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have something personally against you or are out to get you. And if you're not willingly put forward things that are actually false, that is not a lie, but a mistake. In short: I'm not accusing you of telling lies, I'm trying to show that in my opinion you are mistaken. As some sort of evidence, even rather poor evidence, I left the boots, so that my opinion wouldn't just sit there in a vacuum.

Ans: Read up all my posts before you accuse of people piling up opinions and disputing them. I do agree with some people in all my post or even thanked them.

Thus, save that advice for yourself.


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Some people just kept coming back for more after their flawed arguments haven been exposed time and time again but they keep coming back for more as if they have something personally against that person lol

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1787447/page/1 > page 1 till page 18









Dernière édition par YoursTruly86#4027, le 14 déc. 2016 à 05:06:38
Sometimes, people would say that they have nothing against you but their actions suggested otherwise and just wouldn't leave you alone.

Pretty hypocritical if you were to ask me.

Is it because they have been shamed by that person before and that's why they are desperately trying to get back at him for every chance they have got to the extend that they misinterpreted or do not comprehend what people are saying?


SORRY, JUST TALKING TO MYSELF.

THIS POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S POST.


Note:

If I am talking to myself was declared by the writer (me) to be of no relation to other post, it should be not against the TOC.
Dernière édition par YoursTruly86#4027, le 14 déc. 2016 à 04:49:03
Where did I say anything about "force"? I asked you to learn how to quote properly. What you just posted is rather ... ugly. It's a quote of what I wrote with stuff you say in reply to it inside the same quote; which looks as if I were talking to myself, which is not half as entertaining as talking to you.

Writing in caps is not explicitly against forum rules, but it's generally considered impolite and implies yelling. This is not only my own personal interpretation, but general netiquette (you can read up on netiquette here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette - you don't have to and I can't force you to :P); writing in all caps will get you kicked in many IRC chats and forum moderators often also will ask you not to do it.

Regarding the long way between "Just my opinion"... I conceded (hence the "Sorry" just at the beginning of 3.) that I was mistaken here. It's not very easy to discern where your example ends (and let me guess, you write what you want as long as it is not against the TOC (did you mean TOU, CoC) and I can't force you to write in any way), so others might make the same mistake when they read it.

Number 4.: Moot point, since it is the result of a misunderstanding. So let's let it rest.

As for the boots: You put forward the opinion that drops are rigged so that a character may find good items, but not the ones that specific character needs. I argued, that in my opinion it's rather a matter of statistics - so many uniques that could drop make it hard to find one specific unique, even if it is rather common (as the price of 1 alch for Bones of Ullr suggests). However, since I did have a useful drop for my summoner, this is a hint that drops are not rigged, but that it is indeed the amount of possible drops that limits useful ones. I could have just given my opinion without anything to substantiate it - but then it would have been just that, an opinion floating around among other opinions.
This is also what I was trying to make clear in 7.: Just because I don't agree with your opinion, post one contrary to yours and substantiate it, does not mean I have anything against you personally (heck, I probably don't know you personally). It's a normal part of a discussion; which I wanted to express by saying that a discussion is not just the piling up of opinions, but also of disputing them, fleshing them out with facts or at least observations.
Moreover, I was not accusing you of piling up opinions and disputing them, I was saying that a meaningful discussion is not just a pile-up of opinions and that disputing them (i.e. work on them, try to disprove other opinions, try to explain why you think your opinion is more valid or perhaps even not only an opinion) is an integral part of a discussion.

The next point is interesting, because you often say I accused you of anything (of lying, of being angry, [please insert others here]), but you yourself accuse me of not being able to read or of not having played the game in merciless difficulty or on maps. Well, not that I care much what you think which difficulties I have played and which maps, but please explain to me why you refuse to look up my profile, which would prove that you're dead wrong there? Afraid of facts? I can't link anything here to prove that I have played maps or in merciless, because all the items I could link I could also have bought with currency I found playing up to cruel; even maps, which would be stupid of course, if I didn't play them, but no proof. I could ask guild mates to confirm that I played in merciless and maps, but would you believe them? Or is it enough to tell you: You're wrong, I have played merciless and a lot of maps, I have a level 8 Zana in standard, I have a level 91 Elementalist in Standard and a level 88 Deadeye and some other characters between 70 and 80? It's just a click (on my name under my avatar) away. Not sure what you mean when you say "Some paper profile".

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :
Some people just kept coming back for more after their flawed arguments haven been exposed time and time again but they keep coming back for more as if they have something personally against that person lol

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1787447/page/1 > page 1 till page 18

I'm not sure if this is post-factualism or the Dunning-Kruger effect.

By the way, have you found your exalted orb, yet? If not you can have mine (for free)


Bird lover of Wraeclast
Las estrellas te iluminan - Hoy te sirven de guía
Te sientes tan fuerte que piensas - que nadie te puede tocar
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YoursTruly86 a écrit :
Sometimes, people would say that they have nothing against you but their actions suggested otherwise and just wouldn't leave you alone.

Pretty hypocritical if you were to ask me.

Is it because they have been shamed by that person before and that's why they are desperately trying to get back at him for every chance they have got to the extend that they misinterpreted or do not comprehend what people are saying?


SORRY, JUST TALKING TO MYSELF.

THIS POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S POST.


Note:

If I am talking to myself was declared by the writer (me) to be of no relation to other post, it should be not against the TOC.


TOC → Table of Contents
TOU → Terms of Use
COC → Code of Conduct (Cast on Crit, but makes no sense here)

You mean one of the latter two.
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Te sientes tan fuerte que piensas - que nadie te puede tocar
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Mikrotherion a écrit :
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YoursTruly86 a écrit :
Sometimes, people would say that they have nothing against you but their actions suggested otherwise and just wouldn't leave you alone.

Pretty hypocritical if you were to ask me.

Is it because they have been shamed by that person before and that's why they are desperately trying to get back at him for every chance they have got to the extend that they misinterpreted or do not comprehend what people are saying?


SORRY, JUST TALKING TO MYSELF.

THIS POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S POST.


Note:

If I am talking to myself was declared by the writer (me) to be of no relation to other post, it should be not against the TOC.


TOC → Table of Contents
TOU → Terms of Use
COC → Code of Conduct (Cast on Crit, but makes no sense here)

You mean one of the latter two.


Does it matter?

Is it of great importance even if it is wrong?

Why are you even replying?

Wait, don't tell me you are the ONE lol?

FYI its supposed to be T&C (terms & conditions) which is neither of the one you mentioned and I intentionally wrote it that way to lure you into replying ; ) So easy to bait hahahah


>>>>>>>>>>>that's why they are desperately trying to get back at him for every chance they have got but they always end up being embarrassed bu him.
Dernière édition par YoursTruly86#4027, le 14 déc. 2016 à 06:11:35
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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Does it matter?

Is it of great importance even if it is wrong?

Why are you even replying?

Wait, don't tell me you are the ONE lol?

FYI its supposed to be T&C (terms & conditions) which is neither of the one you mentioned and I intentionally wrote it that way to lure you into replying ; ) So easy to bait hahahah

What can I say, I like to help people.
Abbreviating Terms & Conditions (which PoE does not have, there is the Code of Conduct and the Terms of Use) TOC is rather... peculiar. Forgive me for not getting it. :D

As to why I'm replying... it's a bit weird. For one thing, my potato needs breaks from PoE now and then. And then, I find it rather entertaining.
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