Spectral Throw vs Power Siphon for Cast on Crit

This all started with a conversation with a friend of mine. I'm starting a CoC build with ice nova/discharge and I was asking him what skill yields the most Hits/sec and the only skills I could think of was [ST + GMP/LMP] or [Cyclone + Multistrike].

What he proposed was that critcals only roll once and only once on a per action basis not per monster, so using something like ST + GMP/LMP wouldn't be necessary as using a wand with [Power Siphon + Power CoC + GMP/LMP] would be much better (because of it gaining power charges and power charges give crit chance).

His point was that all CoC builds would use Attack Speed so the set up with Power Siphon would yield more crits per second than Spectral Throw. What do you guys think?

I would say your friend is right and wrong in the same place. In case of casting with coc he´s wrong.

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The chance to cast is rolled separately for each enemy you scored a critical hit on, so it is possible to get multiple casts on one skill use if you hit multiple enemies and are lucky enough.

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What he meant is, if you attack with something that got multiple projectiles, all those projectiles are rolled as either a crit or not. If you rolled a crit with your attack, every hit on every monster with this attack has the chance to cast a spell with CoC.

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Spysong192 a écrit :

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Sorry I don't know how to quote without having the message in my post if that's possible. Anyways,

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Critical Strikes are rolled on a per-action basis, not per-monster. So each time you use a skill, the Critical Strike roll is made once and only once. If you roll a Critical Strike, you will deal Critical damage to all enemies hit by the skill. Struck enemies cursed with Critical Weakness can cause an initial roll that comes up non-critical to potentially become a critical strike.

My friend showed me that on the "Crtical Strike" wiki page. That's why I'm confused how CoC can work the way it states it does if the crits are applied to all monsters if it is rolled from the beginning. Or does that only apply to skills such as Freezing Pulse? Where if it crits, all monsters hit will be hit with crit damage.

Here it is http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cast_on_Critical_Strike

You must differ that crits and CoC are different mechanics. A attack rolls a crit = all projectiles that attack maybe have are also crits, with CoC every hit has the CHANCE to trigger it´s effect.

This chance is rolled separately for every monster and hit.

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Spysong192 a écrit :

Here it is http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cast_on_Critical_Strike

You must differ that crits and CoC are different mechanics. A attack crits = all projectiles are also crits, with CoC every hit with a crit on every monster has the CHANCE to cast a supported spell.

Oooh! That makes so much more sense. Okay, so now the final question. Does that make Spectral Throw the best for Hits/sec with a MP support? The only other skill I can think of would be Cyclone with Multistrike (and maybe melee splash?).

But the thing is Cyclone + Multistrike is pure suicide haha.

Pretty much. Can´t beat a multi hit projectile that bommerangs and can use 2.0 aps daggers that also have the best crit base and nodes in the tree lol

Awesome! Thanks a lot! :)

The only other thing that i imagine could yield more hits would be a perfect quill rain bow with corrupted +1 arrows + split arrow + chain + CoC .. and so on hehe

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Spysong192 a écrit :

The only other thing that i imagine could yield more hits would be a perfect quill rain bow with corrupted +1 arrows + split arrow + chain + CoC .. and so on hehe

Oh god. That sounds like a killer for a Single Target CoC builds, is a Quill Rain expensive in any of the legacy leagues?

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