Armour>Evasion>Energy Shield Why???

Armour good for leveling, mapping. Armour not bad for anything except bosses
Evasion good for leveling, bad for mapping and for bosses(thats why we have IR so we change it to armour)
Energy shield bad for leveling mediocre for mapping bad for bosses

Energy shield is great, you're just doing it wrong.

I agree with evasion useless for end game, armour is also useless in high lvl maps for me. ES is super bad for leveling but good for end game


But evasion and armour will be fixed in 0.11.0 , ES will be nerfed though. But tbh we can say nothing untill we saw the complete patch notes

Maybe my approach is bad, but for me Armor and Evasion are defense against phys dmg, ES is not.
ES is a second hp pool. So without armor or EV it would be pretty useless.
Edit.: I mean what good is 10k ES if every monkey in sarn hits you for 1k dmg?

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Daxora a écrit :

Maybe my approach is bad, but for me Armor and Evasion are defense against phys dmg, ES is not.
ES is a second hp pool. So without armor or EV it would be pretty useless.
Edit.: I mean what good is 10k ES if every monkey in sarn hits you for 1k dmg?

Grace, Determination, Iron Reflexes, Inner Force (even after 0.11.0 nerf), Shadow/Templar Armor/Eva + ES nodes.

8K armor on the spot.

its Energy shield>evasion>armor acutally..

armor is the shittiest defense because when you get hit hard it doesnt mitigate anything unless you have like 20-30k of it (and it still mitigates only a bit of the damage)

It seems to me that Energy Shield is balanced only for Chaos Innoculation.

It's not balanced for Eldritch Battery (overpowered) or as a secondary defense (underpowered).

My suggestion would be to remove the 20% energy boost behind CI, raise ES values by 20%, and have Eldritch Battery raise your mana by ~50% of your Energy Shield (still removes all ES). Or it has diminishing returns the higher your ES is. For example, up to 100 ES it gives 100% mana return, but by 1000 ES it only gives 10% mana return per additional point.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

its Energy shield>evasion>armor acutally..

armor is the shittiest defense because when you get hit hard it doesnt mitigate anything unless you have like 20-30k of it (and it still mitigates only a bit of the damage)

Umm armor has its uses (big-boss hits is not one of those tho). With the nerfs its just became better too. I agree on ES tho, buffer > any other sort of defense, ignoring hp/es discussion here, is it better to get hit by 1k if you have 10k buffer or get hit by 800 if you have 5k buffer? You just can't get it high enough for ratios to be anywhere close to 1:1 in endgame.

Not to mention the 20% leech cap (assuming ghost reaver and decent dmg). It's just a matter of chosing the type of buffer and sticking to it. If you're talking about secondary defenses on top of hp however, then yeah, imo mix hp/es never works outside of leveling (excluding lowlife but that's a different beast altogether)

Thing with ES is no matter what you do, ES without shav's/CI is gonna get you one shot at map levels with chaos damage. You just can't stack 2 types of buffers due to that, you're just gimping yourself. And we've already been through 'removing any buff from CI', do that and everyone will just use shavronne's or hp instead.

EB is getting double nerf pretty much now, don't think it will need any further 'nerfs', If anything, I'm gonna argue mana without EB/BM is underpowered. But it might be that all will fall into place with 0.11 (at least excluding evasion), we'll see.

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PolarisOrbit a écrit :

It seems to me that Energy Shield is balanced only for Chaos Innoculation.

It's not balanced for Eldritch Battery (overpowered) or as a secondary defense (underpowered).

My suggestion would be to remove the 20% energy boost behind CI, raise ES values by 20%, and have Eldritch Battery raise your mana by ~50% of your Energy Shield (still removes all ES). Or it has diminishing returns the higher your ES is. For example, up to 100 ES it gives 100% mana return, but by 1000 ES it only gives 10% mana return per additional point.

Have you played a CI melee (or other) build through merc or are you just talking out of your hat? There are a lot of things about CI you can criticize but being op'd I don't think is one of them. Perhaps some nodes for some char types might need balancing, not sure on that but for a Shadow build I think that what you are suggesting is just plain wrong.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

its Energy shield>evasion>armor acutally..

armor is the shittiest defense because when you get hit hard it doesn't mitigate anything unless you have like 20-30k of it (and it still mitigates only a bit of the damage)

Hmmm still I am leaning on dropping all my evasion and respec. coming patch. It would have been nice if acrobatics had something like 5% or 10% more amour and the rest kept the same. What are current changes to that suggesting, that you better grab some armour?

Evasion suffers from the same flaws, it just has a wider operating range. That and if you are pure evasion dodge was pretty good (But not so pure anymore now). I think acrobatics + IR will be nice. You can easily get 100%increased from the tree to compensate 50% less and with grace + determination you still pull off a good amount of armor. Now combined with 30% dodge and 20% spell dodge.