chance to be ignited uniques + scold's bridle

The wiki is wrong, or rather, outdated. Before the big ailment changes in 3.0.0, the damage dealt by Ignite was based on the damage taken by the target. Therefore wherever you would take fire damage, you could be ignited.

After 3.0.0, ailment damage is based on the base damage dealt by the attacker. Scold's only deals Physical damage, thus the damage of any potential ignite caused by it would be 0. The fact that you take the damage as fire does not matter for the purpose of ailment damage calculation. And ailments which would have no effect, such as a zero damage ignite, are never applied in the first place.

Compare this to Eye of Innocence, which deals fire damage. Thus if you have "chance to be ignited", this damage can inflict a (non-zero damage) ignite.



There was a dev post explaining this in much more detail somewhere; but I spent the past half an hour digging through Mark_GGG's posts both here and on Reddit and couldn't find it. It might have been written by another dev. I apologize for the lack of source.

For anybody reading this late, found the link.

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dudiobugtron a écrit :

I was able to chill myself reliably whenever I ignited an enemy. Fire damage can't chill normally.

The effect of Chill is still based on the damage taken, not damage dealt.



I know, ailment mechanics. "Easier to understand" now.

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adghar a écrit :

Was this a typo? This statement seems to be the direct opposite of what your original reply said

Ailment damage (for Ignite, Bleed, and Poison) is based on the base damage dealt by the attacker. This is so that no modifier can "double-dip", i.e. affect the damage of the ailment twice.

The effect of non-damaging ailments (Shock, Chill, and Freeze) is based on the damage the target actually takes, as a proportion of the target's maximum Life. No "double-dipping" is possible here, as there is always only one instance of damage being dealt.



For example, consider an "Increased Spell Damage" modifier. If you hit a target with a fire spell and Ignite it, this modifier does not affect the damage of the Ignite, as Ignite is not Spell Damage (it is Damage over Time). But if you hit a target with cold spell damage and Chill it, this modifier will increase the slow effect of the Chill, because Chill effectiveness is based on the actual damage the target takes.

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adghar a écrit :

Oh, terribly clever. So there's now a difference in relevance of taken/dealt based on whether we are talking about Ailment Damage or Ailment Effect.

Yup. Wasn't the ailment rework wonderful? Totally makes everything easier to understand now.

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dudiobugtron a écrit :

That's pretty odd. Thanks for the explanation.

So with a hypothetical '100% of lightning damage taken as fire damage' unique, it would calculate the ignite damage based on the lightning damage dealt, but the shock effect based on the fire damage taken. So you'd never be shocked or ignited normally.

Which damage type are you taking in this scenario? Getting hit by fire damage would still ignite you.