Daggers vs Claws

So i was leveling a dagger ranger and the biggest thing i noticed at first was that daggers did way more damage end game compared to my claws. i got to level 30 and switched focus... i had not spent any passives into claws yet.

but the thing that made me switch is the 1 point wonder for daggers 100% extra crit damage. the claw passives are pretty garbage in comparing damage. the only thing the claws did give more of is a bit more sustainability, at the cost of doing little to no damage in the end.

maybe im wrong. but even if you went a frenzy build instead of going for passives.. if you get that one ring of dagger passives that gives 100% crit damage from one point... you are already way ahead of claws.

my ranger started as claws and switch to daggers when i finally compared the two.

Dagger implicit: +40-60% crit chance
Highest explicit mod: +34% crit chance

Claw implicit: +1% life leech
Highest explicit mod: +5% life leech

Blood Rage is a popular skill and a character only needs dps = 5x life in order to hit the leech rate cap with just the skill effect.

One claw "cluster" gives 10% damage, 3% life leech, and 2% attack speed for 9 skill points (dex/int bonus being largely inconsequential). Why anyone would take that is beyond me.

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RabidRabbit a écrit :

One claw "cluster" gives 10% damage, 3% life leech, and 2% attack speed for 9 skill points (dex/int bonus being largely inconsequential). Why anyone would take that is beyond me.

Probably for the same reason a first-time bow user would try to grab the bow clusters. It would be intuitive that these weapon focused clusters were beneficial to characters that used said weapon, but instead they are worse and will gimp you. Go figure.

the dagger passives are actually really good. some crazy stuff in there. claw and bow passives really need to be fleshed out more.

Yeah daggers even have the on-dagger-crit poison the enemy.
Claws needs more...interesting options because of that awesome dagger auto poison on crit thing.

i am actually leveling a claw dualist right now.

all i can say claw+elemental damage + dual attack = ouch.

However, I have seen exactly 0 rare claw's drop. I have made every one my self.

Evasion sucks dodo birds to. I seem to be an arrow magnet. which hurts.

The life leach on claws isn't big enough to take into account the damage one takes from being surrounded by critters as i have no aoe/group handling abilities (My fault i know)

Mana continues to be a problem, as it is with every class.

-D-

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dancemice a écrit :

i am actually leveling a claw dualist right now.

all i can say claw+elemental damage + dual attack = ouch.

dagger+added fire damage + lightning strike = i just crit and killed 5 mobs.

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dancemice a écrit :

However, I have seen exactly 0 rare claw's drop. I have made every one my self.

Evasion sucks dodo birds to. I seem to be an arrow magnet. which hurts.

The life leach on claws isn't big enough to take into account the damage one takes from being surrounded by critters as i have no aoe/group handling abilities (My fault i know)

Mana continues to be a problem, as it is with every class.

-D-

look at dagger passives. look at claw passives. now look back at dagger passives. you're dps could be 10 times better using daggers because claws dont have +100 crit damage for 5 points. or 75% crit chance for 5 points. while you are using 8 points for 10% damage and 3% life leach.

now look at daggers. look at claws. look back at daggers. your dps would be substantially increased because in order to do chaos you actually need damage and that little bit of life leach wont save you.

i had a claw with 111% ed and it only did 290 top end damage. this dagger with 97 already beat it in damage.. and that 40% increased crit stacks with both daggers... not to mention the natural crit on daggers is .5 higher.

all i know... with out these dagger passives... i wouldn't be able to do chaos at all.

ps. i suggest iron reflexes... poopy evasion wont be a problem any more. yet all that +% evasion will still be extremely useful from dex.

i would not be so cynical about claws if it wasn't for the fact that id really liked them to be viable. but even with the duelist passives id rather still go for the dagger passives right afterwards. with my ranger i dip in the duelist for the dw line. mainly because i have to go that direction to get iron reflexes. i started the ranger in the mind set that i would make it a claw ranger... but the dagger passives just wrecked the claw passives.

at the moment i have a 35% crit chance and 545% crit damage.

pretty sure the claw would be lucky to breat 15% crit chance.

this my build

but... after some thought i wish i would went frenzy... just wanted to try it with out going full op.