Why do these nodes not allow unarmed to use them?

These two nodes specify 'weapons' and not 'attacks' which only excludes unarmed from using them. There are other nodes around the tree which also do this like Lava Lash for example. I don't think Doryani's Fist has ever been a top tier build so it seems weird to not allow it to benefit from these nodes.

Is there a mechanical reason why these don't simply say 'attacks'? Or is it simply an oversight.

Maybe developers decided that unarmed damage was high enough without that, or maybe it was an oversight. I don't see why there would be a technical limitation.

Check out the Razor's Edge notable at the Marauder area. It's a sword cluster but the +1 range mod is applied to unarmed too. kek

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tinko92 a écrit :

Check out the Razor's Edge notable at the Marauder area. It's a sword cluster but the +1 range mod is applied to unarmed too. kek

That is not unusual.

Bone Breaker gives a general 8% increased AoE and 40% Stun Duration.
Skull Cracking gives Stunning Hits have Culling Strike.
Slaughter has 10% chance to gain Onslaught on Kill.

A lot of notables have mods that apply to other things as well and Razor's Edge happens to have +1 to Melee Range (which is called Weapon and Unarmed Range, but essentially it is melee range).

Usually the reason is because a mod "Sword Range" or something like that doesn't exist.

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Maybe developers decided that unarmed damage was high enough without that, or maybe it was an oversight. I don't see why there would be a technical limitation.

There is none, but weapon elemental damage always was that, WEAPON elemental damage. It doesn't work with Zombies either.

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These two nodes specify 'weapons' and not 'attacks' which only excludes unarmed from using them. There are other nodes around the tree which also do this like Lava Lash for example. I don't think Doryani's Fist has ever been a top tier build so it seems weird to not allow it to benefit from these nodes.

These nodes would benefit Facebreaker as well, which is pretty strong. Like I mentioned above, there is no elemental attack damage mod currently, they could make one, like they made the Elemental damage with Maces, but the only real benefactor would be Doryanis fist, because facebreaker is good enough as is and doesn't need that buff. Doryanis on the other hand is basically useless without weapon elemental damage applying to it and you could argue that a heavy glove is indeed a weapon (you are not hitting them with your bare hands).

Time for a new wording.

elemental damage with attacks?

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Emphasy a écrit :

the only real benefactor would be Doryanis fist, because facebreaker is good enough as is and doesn't need that buff.

Something like that, Dory has spell and ES bonus so it's probably supposed to be a top side unarmed option and you can easily scale it with ele and lightning damage nodes there.

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Dancing_Shadows a écrit :

These two nodes specify 'weapons' and not 'attacks' which only excludes unarmed from using them. There are other nodes around the tree which also do this like Lava Lash for example. I don't think Doryani's Fist has ever been a top tier build so it seems weird to not allow it to benefit from these nodes.

Is there a mechanical reason why these don't simply say 'attacks'? Or is it simply an oversight.

You don't really need those nodes to get high damage on Doryani. It's been a long day and maybe I'm not thinking clearly - but now that you can crit with unarmed I'm curious why no one has bothered trying to build CRIT with Doryani, and go CI.

Let's face it - Doryani Fist is perfect for Witch. And instead of going RT. Just scale Doryani Fist with crit instead, claw nodes, Witch's lightning nodes, and lightning penetration as well

You can use gems like:
- Elemental Focus (B)
- Inc. Crit Chance (B)
- Inc. Crit Strike (B)
- Light Pen (B)
- Then Multistrike / Faster Attacks / Added Lightning (R/G/B)

4/5 blue socket chest is easy for CI

Tree is nice and compact - some Claw crit chance nodes, lightning nodes, normal crit nodes, power charges, are close to Witch.

Build Elementalist and get Pendulum of Destruction 100% ele buff, and Mastermind of Discord penetration using cold skill like Elemental Hit or Ice Crash.

If you want to go bonkers, grab power charges and use Skyforth's as well for free PCOC - perfect.

You miss out on Crit Multiplier massive buff from Abyssus, but in turn as Witch you have access to Alchemist massive 30% inc. flask effect - so your flasks will be pretty damn good (Wise Oak, VoV, Rumi's, Atziri's Promise would all be nice to use).

Fuck it, I might just build this myself.

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Ceryneian a écrit :

Let's face it - Doryani Fist is perfect for Witch. And instead of going RT. Just scale Doryani Fist with crit instead, claw nodes, Witch's lightning nodes, and lightning penetration as well

Why not Templar or Shadow?

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raics a écrit :

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Emphasy a écrit :

the only real benefactor would be Doryanis fist, because facebreaker is good enough as is and doesn't need that buff.

Something like that, Dory has spell and ES bonus so it's probably supposed to be a top side unarmed option and you can easily scale it with ele and lightning damage nodes there.

The thing is you want those Penetration nodes. With some of those nodes and Elementalist and the Gem you can basically ignore all Resistances. I mean for some odd reason PoE allows you to penetrate resistances that aren't even there, so even if the enemy has zero resistance those nodes grant 14% more damage.

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- Inc. Crit Chance (B)
- Inc. Crit Strike (B)

You cannot crit with unarmed attacks :P

So you can use Ice Crash, Warchief, Shield Charge or Cyclone for good skills although Cyclone is really short unarmed.

So you can use Faster Attacks, Lightning Pen, Conc. Effect, Elemental Focus and on Warchief you also can use Toten Resistance and Less Duration. So unless you are using Warchief you really lack supports, in theory you could try Hypothermia as well, but not having Weapon Elemental Damage makes the fist worse than most elemental 1h + Thunderfist. Not to mention the real Facebreaker :P

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Emphasy a écrit :

You cannot crit with unarmed attacks :P

It's the Rigwald's Curse, that's why he mentions claw nodes.

The way I see it, you're fine on the penetration front with Dory, you're running 100% lightning so the support is also a good choice, Ice Crash is short on supports anyway.