Diminishing returns on IIR and IIQ?

Chris says in this video series: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL938C9B034DAD5A20&feature=plcp

At part 2 or 3 I think, that Kungen should not be able to reach the diminishing returns on IIQ/IIR at his level, implying that after a certain point, it is less effective to stack increased item rarity/quantity.

I'd like to know when this diminishing return kicks in. Is it at +100% for both stats? When should one stop piling on the item finding stats as they become too ineffective?

Hey, now that is a good question. I wish I could give you an answer, but all I have is a second question to go along with yours...

You start off with +0% / +0%. At what point does it actually start to become effective?

(I ask because my marauder has +20% IIR and +20% IIQ and I don't really notice any difference whatsoever... except for maybe a slightly increased orb drop rate.)

My Ice Witch and my Lightning Ranger both have >100% IIQ. They run maps. In nearly every map, they find 2-3 more. This is after previous attempts (at minimal IIQ) being lucky to get 1 map to drop in a map.

It matters.

Oh I'm not denying it matters. I'm running 300% IIR and 50% IIQ when I run Fellshrine and I get tons of uniques every day. The thing is, I just want to know how much of my IIR is wasted and ineffective so I can find a good value to set it at and raise my IIQ accordingly.

Yeah, it really does matter. I just upped my Marauder's IIQ to 32% and the very first monster I killed thereafter dropped a Unique (Quill Rain Short Bow). Coincidence?

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I would like to know this some more info on this...Right now at lvl 64 I sit at about 217% IIR and 88-100%(pending what i am wearing) IIQ.....At what point does it become to much or to little....The higher I get is it less effective? I know last night I did a 60 map that was 67% larger(dunes) and I got about 6-7 lvl 60 Maps, 3 being the same map name so I turned them in for a 61 map of coure.....Sometimes I think it get worse the higher lvl I am but lastnight threw me all off..

I'm running about 200-250% IIR and about 40-50% IIQ and I did a larger map and got 4 maps I think. Plus a unique.

65%+ maps are kind of special I feel; it's like running a map and a half so it seems like you get a lot of stuff

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The_Paw a écrit :

Yeah, it really does matter. I just upped my Marauder's IIQ to 32% and the very first monster I killed thereafter dropped a Unique (Quill Rain Short Bow). Coincidence?

Actually yes a coincidence, since you mainly want rarity for unique's... Though I guess Quanity still helps improves the chances of getting a unique, indirectly.

I guess I don't understand how rarity works. I know it doesn't effect currency items, but you want a fair amount of rarity even if you don't necessarily care about uniques -- having more rarity results in less magic and white items and more rares, no? More rares means more chances for good stuff.

Or is it less effective than that? If I roll a white sword, does rarity take that sword and apply my hypothetical +100% more rarity to it? Is the sword that would have been white, blue now? Or does it get like +20% quality added onto it instead? A +20% quality white sword is more rare than a 0% sword. Or does it effect socket count and link count of an item? An item with 6 linked sockets is more rare than 5, so does 100% rarity make my 5L drop become a 6L? Or does it do something to the loot table that we just can't understand as it's all behind the scenes?

I run with between 200 and 300 rarity on my Shadow whlie I farm maps or fellshrine - and I get about one to two uniques every 5-10 full instance clears.