[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

So uh, did y'all notice they're nerfing mana reservation efficiency?


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Problem: The introduction of reservation efficiency has encouraged a much larger range of builds to invest in reservation skills to a small or moderate degree. This is not a problem in itself, but currently the options for doing so are similar for every build, and provide slightly too much generic power relative to the investment required. Reservation mastery options are the biggest outliers in power, as they provide larger amounts of power than entire notable passive skills.

Solution: Remove the mana reservation efficiency mastery and reduce the power of the aura effect and life reservation efficiency masteries.
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and CWDT

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Problem: When spell base damage values were dramatically increased in 3.17.0 and methods of triggering spells had their power reduced in compensation, Cast when Damage Taken Support and Cast on Death Support were omitted.

Solution: Increase the damage penalty of Cast when Damage Taken Support and reduce the damage bonus of Cast on Death Support to match the changes made to other trigger mechanisms in 3.17.0.
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The CWDT change is irrelevant to us, we don't use it for damage.

The mana reservation means we'll need Enlighten 4 and probably a 1% mana reservation affix on one jewel (same problem for the Occultist version.)

Run Discipline + purity of elements + aspect of the spider + hatred will be expensive. Maybe swap hatred for Herald of Ice.

well with dat nerf you need maven eval mod of 12% inc int to get +1 int gems and get aw.enl 5 lvl so = 6 lvl enl i think to fit all same auras
or for scion version get tons of jewels with 2% eff
for witch don't know, cause already struggle to get all needed uniqe jewels

Using my Sentinel Character I made few tests. "With my current gear" I need around 210 Unreserved mana to cast all at once (icestorm, ball lightning, wave of conviction and vortex) and not miss any curse, exposure, chill or storm.

With that in mind, messing with the PoB, I made 2 trees. One with block(with less damage but more tankyness) and another with almost no block (more damage). Both are using an Emperor's Wit Jewel, that is not needed at all, can be replaced with a Brute Force with no problem!

PoB.: https://pastebin.com/9GyZgSJ6

no block tree:


classic block tree:


Follow the changes:

- Energy Shield Mastery = Discipline has 25% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency;

- All Brute Force / Fertile Mind Jewels have 2% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency;

- For Block tree only, added 2 points near "Influence" notable, to have 2% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency.

SUMARY:

To have all Auras running (Discipline, Purity of Elements, Hatred, Clarity and Aspect of the Spider) with mid budget you need:

- Helmet with Hatred or Purity of Elements have 30% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency;

- 1x Enlighten lvl 4

- Nodes til Sovereignty;

- Energy Shield Mastery = Discipline has 25% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency;

- All Brute Force / Fertile Mind Jewels have 2% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency;

- Using the block tree, need to alocate 8% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency near "Influence".

Seems that both still viable, just lost a little ES.

Is Aspect of the Spider really necessary though? I was running the Ascendant version this league without it and managed to do all the endgame content (minus uber pinnacle versions) with absolute ease.

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Jaden00 a écrit :

Is Aspect of the Spider really necessary though? I was running the Ascendant version this league without it and managed to do all the endgame content (minus uber pinnacle versions) with absolute ease.

Not necessary at all, but keep in mind that Aspect of the Spider gives you + 15% damage. In PoE, faster you kill, less times you die. To do Pinnacle Bosses you need damage. Without it, The Whispering Ice builds cannot survive.

Follow below my character on Sentinel league, alerdy removed the 15% Increased Mana Reservation Efficiency from mastery and changed the jewels.

Poe Ninja:
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/whiterockxx/White_Sentinel

PoE Profile:
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/whiterockxx/characters/White_Sentinel

Alerdy tested the content today and done with success:

- Uber Pinnacle Bosses (All)
- The Feared +100% IIQ
- Simulacrum Wave 30
- Flawless Chayula

The build is working fine with mid-high and high budget gear. With low, low-mid and mid budget gear there will be limitations for sure!

Lets see what happens when the patch notes arrive, and pray for a change that make the Storms drop faster, to help on clear speed for maps that are the downside of the build. The boss aspect of the build is fine.

Realy liking the idea to start the league with this build. Will follow this topis until patch notes are out.

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Krazy_X a écrit :

Realy liking the idea to start the league with this build. Will follow this topis until patch notes are out.

I've league started whispering ice several times, even in SSF. Its by far my favorite skill in the game.

Its OK. its not fast. Its not particularly good early. But if you wanna grind out some white and yellow maps for a day before progressing straight to reds, its perfectly fine.

But its not a league starter that will be crushing t16s on day 2.

end of day 2 gear usually consists of

6sock whispering ice, theyre usually so cheap i put a second one in my weapon swap. one for map one for boss. - you lose leveling up gems to corrupt in your swap but its so convenient.

incandescent heart
15% black sun crest 20ish c
t1 intel essence on rings and gloves. 5-10c each
Inya's boots or stampede 5-10c
A few of the unique jewels.
Astramentis 20-30c
Cyclopean coil 30c

I usually run endless heist for chaos recipe until i have the pieces above then push all the way into red maps with the baseline gear i listed above.
This is typically enough to put you over 1k int

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AdamSanders a écrit :

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Krazy_X a écrit :

Realy liking the idea to start the league with this build. Will follow this topis until patch notes are out.

I've league started whispering ice several times, even in SSF. Its by far my favorite skill in the game.

Its OK. its not fast. Its not particularly good early. But if you wanna grind out some white and yellow maps for a day before progressing straight to reds, its perfectly fine.

But its not a league starter that will be crushing t16s on day 2.

end of day 2 gear usually consists of

6sock whispering ice, theyre usually so cheap i put a second one in my weapon swap. one for map one for boss. - you lose leveling up gems to corrupt in your swap but its so convenient.

incandescent heart
15% black sun crest 20ish c
t1 intel essence on rings and gloves. 5-10c each
Inya's boots or stampede 5-10c
A few of the unique jewels.
Astramentis 20-30c
Cyclopean coil 30c

I usually run endless heist for chaos recipe until i have the pieces above then push all the way into red maps with the baseline gear i listed above.
This is typically enough to put you over 1k int

Thanks for the answer. I'll start late as i'll be working at launch time. I'll probably start 12 hours after launch and will play very slow, 1-2h a day max.