CWDT + Bladefall + Curses and CWDT + Bladefall + Blind

I tried set 3x CWDT + something. My test setup was:
Gloves: CWDT (1) + Bladefall (1) + Curse on hit (19) + Enfeeble (18)
Shield: CWDT (1) + Bladefall (1) + Blind (14)
Wand: CWDT (1) + Frostwall (5)

When i leave Gloves + Wand setup, CWDT triggers both at the same time as i can see curse on monsters and frostwall appears at the same time.

But, when i put Shield + Wand setup i can see bladefall triggering the same rate as with previous setup and some of them blind enemies, but i can't see that monsters are cursed every time. It needs like 4-10 bladefall drops to trigger curse. Shouldn't it trigger curse at the same time, every time, like with frostwall + curse?

What's happening?

What do you mean by "leaving a setup"? I am assuming you mean equipping? If that is the case With shield + wand (ie no glove setup) there shouldn't be any curse at all, so I guess you mean all 3 setups active?

I think same skill gems, even if they are separate gems in different links, will still share a cooldown even when on separate cwdt setups, or something like this... maybe I am wrong as I'm not sure why its as rare as 4-10 triggers in your case though

If it's the case I recommend you have one of your cwdt at lvl 2 or something so in theory they will only try to trigger synchronously (ie it will fail and only one will cast) once every 528 * 583 damage or something.

In practise with this idea though if you are taking 'big' hits regularly such as 1000 damage then they will attempt to trigger together and one will fail as it is on cooldown.

um yea "leaving" i mean equipped.

So when i have those two equipped:
Gloves: CWDT (1) + Bladefall (1) + Curse on hit (19) + Enfeeble (18)
Wand: CWDT (1) + Frostwall (5)
both Curse AND Frostwall trigger every time on Bladefall and on the same time.

But when i have those two equipped:
Gloves: CWDT (1) + Bladefall (1) + Curse on hit (19) + Enfeeble (18)
Shield: CWDT (1) + Bladefall (1) + Blind (14)
i can see Bladefall falling, but i don't see Curse applied. Only Blind to some enemies (There is 10% chance to blind...). So i see Bladefall, but curse isn't applied every time. (It's applied every few Bladefalls, can't get exact number.)


If CWDTs share cooldown, then in the first case they wouldn't trigger Curse and Froswall at the same time.

I've tried with one CWDT on different level (level2) but it's the same situation.

Cwdts aren't sharing cooldowns, same skill gems share cooldown when support by trigger

try a higher level one and try with a variety of enemies

You need to run maybe like level 2 cwdt with the blind or blade fall and level 1 with the other so they dont go off at the same time as you can't cast bladefall twice at the same time.

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You need to run maybe like level 2 cwdt with the blind or blade fall and level 1 with the other so they dont go off at the same time as you can't cast bladefall twice at the same time.

I tried that. Same thing happens.

If it's problem that i can't trigger 2x bladefall or 2x CWDT at the same time, then first setup (CWTD frostwall + CWDT curse) wouldn't trigger either at the same time. But as i tested, that works correctly. Frostwall and Curse trigger at the same time with 2x CWDT on the same level. So that eliminates that i can't have 2x CWDT or 2x bladefall on the same level.

Maybe i'll try to make screenshots to explain it better.

As you can see on first setup that works frostwall and curse is on monsters.
On second setup bladefall triggers, but there are not always cursed, only blinded.

CWDT is on the same level in both situations, so it can trigger at the same time.

Sometimes bladefalls triggers, both curse and blind, but not always as in first setup.

It's not the cwdt that has the cooldown affecting what you're doing. It's the bladefall skill. When one goes off, they both go on cooldown. So if they both get triggered at the same time, only one will cast. Which one is chosen I don't know. But even with a higher level cwdt, you could still take a hit that would trigger both. A hot of 583 is going to set both a level 2 and a level 1 cwdt. Test with another skill instead of 2 of the same skill and I think you wan't see the problem.

Aside from whether there is a bug here or not

The easiest solution for your problem here is just use a different gem like EK or blade vortex on one of them...

But I would recommend rechroming one green socket to blue and using one ice nova or shock nova or something with large aoe as well.

This way you can keep lvl 1 cwdts and not worry about the game mechanics as much.

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gemini a écrit :

As you can see on first setup that works frostwall and curse is on monsters.
On second setup bladefall triggers, but there are not always cursed, only blinded.

CWDT is on the same level in both situations, so it can trigger at the same time.

Sometimes bladefalls triggers, both curse and blind, but not always as in first setup.

Look here and you'll what is happening is order of operations http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cast_when_Damage_Taken_Support
You cannot cast the same gem 2 times at exactly the same time. So when your character builds up enough damage to proc cwdt it follows that path shown in the wiki of which item is going to go off first time you reach the damage required then the next time round the second one will fire off. This is why sometimes you see both effects or only one. Once the first blade fall triggers the second one is also on cooldown now next time you take enough damage the second cwdt set hasn't fired off so you now curse the enemies then the other one goes off blinding again. If you use bladefall with the first set to apply your curse and another type of trigger spell to apply your blind (such as ball lightning + gmp is a good example as it hits many times) you will see both spells cast and apply the supported skills attached to them no problem.

Stop trying to use the same skill gem as a trigger it doesn't work it even says so in the wiki: Trigger gem - Like all trigger gems, Cast when Damage Taken only "casts" spells. Attack gems such as Double Strike are not considered spells. Multiple spells can be linked to a single trigger gem and will all be triggered if so, there is one exception to this: if two or more spells of the same type are linked (e.g.: Cast when Damage Taken - Fireball - Fireball) they will never trigger simultaneously, even if they are not on the same link.