enduring cry and immortal call

I am using the typical red 4-link cwdt+ec+ic+id.

Is there a tool somewhere to easily calculate what level the gems need to be to reach 3 seconds, 4 seconds or 5 seconds maybe?

With a lvl 1 cwdt i seem to get a 3 second duration. What is the threshold to reach another second or two is what i am asking here.

Clearly depends on number of charges you expend, there is no clear answer until you tell us how many charges you use to get 3 seconds duration and what quality is your immortal call / increased duration and what level is your immortal call / increased duration.

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Mannoth a écrit :

Clearly depends on number of charges you expend, there is no clear answer until you tell us how many charges you use to get 3 seconds duration and what quality is your immortal call / increased duration and what level is your immortal call / increased duration.

my bad. forgot to write that this question is for the typical charachters with 3 charges.
to make it easier let's assume no gems have quality unless small amounts of quality can break a threshold without leveling up cwdt higher.

theres no way how to make this setup in one slot reliable (= better than just sudden burst damage protection). It gets out of sync very fast and you end up with short meaningless IC (casted with no charges up)

have no idea why so many people call it mandatory. It is far better to cast EC manually (hint: spell echo) and having IC on high level CWDT. Thats how you can keep IC up most of the time

if you are looking for reliable protection, use different solution. This setup is only good for ranged chars as a burst damage protection (from ie leapers/flickers)

i just want to know the thresholds to squeeze out another possible second or two without leveling the gems too high.

just use the numbers from IC page on wiki and do the simple math

duration = ( base + (number of charges * (duration per charge))) * (1 + sum of increased duration from tree and support gem)

base = 0.25s
duration per charge = depends on IC level and quality

EDIT:

Forgot the base duration of 0.25, correcting below.

CWDT Level 1 :

Max IC: level 3 = 0.53 duration per endurance charge
Increased duration: level 20 = 64% increased duration

3 charges = 0.53 * 3 = 1.59s base duration, +0.25 = 1.84

1.84 * 1.64 = 3.0176 seconds, shows as 3 seconds on UI

To get 4 seconds you need:

4.0 / 1.84 = 2.17x multiplier, or 117% increased duration at same level of CWDT + IC, which isn't possible.

So instead of that, lets see what base duration you need:

4.0 / 1.64 = 2.44 seconds

Atm you have a base duration of 1.84s, to get to 2.44 you would need 0.73 seconds per endurance charge, which is equivalent of a level 19 immortal call.

A better solution instead is getting another endurance charge, making you only need 0.55 seconds per charge which is a level 5 IC.

Now lets assume you get a 20Q inc. duration and 20Q IC gem:

20Q IC = +0.2 duration per endurance charge
20Q lvl 20 Increased Duration = 74% increased duration

Level 3 IC with full quality and a 20/20 increased duration:

((3 * (0.53 + 0.2))+0.25) * 1.74 = 4.25 seconds of immortal call.

As you can see that is a net gain of 1.25 seconds, almost 42% more compared to what you actually are getting now.

Cheers.

TL; DR:

With 3 charges you need a level 19 immortal call with 0 quality, a level 3 immortal call with close to 20 quality and a 20/20 increased duration or 4 charges and a level 5 IC with no quality.

edit: nevermind, above post corrected;)

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Mannoth a écrit :

TL; DR:

With 3 charges you need a level 19 immortal call with 0 quality, a level 3 immortal call with close to 20 quality and a 20/20 increased duration or 4 charges and a level 5 IC with no quality.

this is to get 4 seconds i suppose?

getting another charge is only a possibility for some builds.

what happens if i get 3,5 seconds duration of immortal call?

a) is it up for 3 seconds?
b) is it up for 4 seconds?
c) is it up for 3,5 seconds?

My guess is that the user interface will show you 4 seconds, but in reality you will still have 3.5 actual seconds.

Sadly what we see is not always what we get :)