Boosting DPS (freezing arc build)

I am mostly following this freezing arc build with some deviations in the nodes and equipment: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1121562/page/1

The guide claims to have 32k DPS, yet I have nowhere near that amount. Right now I'm level 75 and only have 8.5k DPS on arc. These are the differences that I found between my toon and his:
- He is using 2 Doryani sceptres, a Doryani belt and Voidbringer gloves. I can't afford any of these so I'm using yellows for now. But I'm not seeing a major DPS improvement even if I have all 4 uniques, at most it might boost my DPS to 10k?
- I'm using a 6S5L armour, he's using a 6L, obviously because I can't afford a 6L, so I'm missing the "increased critical dmg" gem, but that shouldn't affect DPS that much. At most 500 more DPS?
- He might have a few more DPS rolls on the rings/amulet than me since I was focusing more on capping resistances, but seeing from the rolls on his jewelry they might give like 1k DPS tops?
- His gems are level 19/20, whereas mine are at 17 since I'm not as high level as him, but 2 more levels probably would only give 1k DPS tops?

So... what's the secret in going from 8.5K to 32K? Well I'm not expecting to reach 32K since my budget is 1-2ex max but maybe 20k?

I would empower your arc
your gem isn't lvl20, that costs you a few k
the 6th link adds like 50% of the dps

The 6th link he is using is increased crit damage, not empower. I already tested how much that adds by swapping with another gem, and it only adds a few hundred DPS. Also are you sure going from level 17 to level 20 will double arc's DPS? After looking at the wiki... I highly doubt it... like I said it might boost DPS by 1k or something but there's no way arc at level 20 has double the DPS of arc at level 17...

EDIT 3:I forgot. I should provide a disclaimer. I'm being pretty sloppy/imprecise with my terminology in this post. When I say "More damage," I actually mean "More tooltip DPS." The two are pretty much equivalent in the case of going from level 17 to 20 Arc, but is more of a theoretical/probabilistic effect when measuring crit factor.

Going from level 17 to level 20 Arc gives you 33.101% More damage, because it's a change in the base damage, and everything scales off of base damage.

Based on the one image that wasn't broken in the thread you linked, Voidbringer + Increased Critical Damage is probably really critical (teehee) in achieving a lot of his DPS.

Just did the calcs, and Voidbringer spell crit + 20/20 crit damage gem is giving him 32.74% More damage than you.

Combining these two factors would give you 76.678% More damage. Still not quite up to his level, but a good amount closer, I suppose.

Working from my excelsheet:

arc avg
17 287 (from formula (29+545)/2)
20 382 17 to 20 more damage: 1.331010453 (from formula 382/287)
33% more damage

with voidbringer:
25.4% chance
372% multi

b + b * 0.254* 3.72

0.94488
his crit factor: 1.94488

7.05 void crit
118.5 20/20CD mult

b+ b * (0.254-0.0705) * (3.72-1.185)
0.4651725 1.4651725

MORE dmg from crit factor 1.327406841

1.766792381

EDIT TWO: Just did some more calcs. Assuming you have zero crit on your jewelry, you would be missing a total of 102.68% More damage compared to him. So I guess the most important thing for you to do would be to look for some good Diamond rings and an Amulet with crit multiplier if you haven't already.

working that yielded 102.68% more damage:
2.95 ring crit
73.5 ammy multi

b+ b* (0.254-0.0705-0.0295) * (3.72-1.185-0.735)
0.2772 1.2772

1.522768556

2.026820866

Thanks... wow you did some extensive calculations. It's kind of odd that I only get like 500 more DPS when I equip increased critical damage, but I'll take your word for it that those 3 levels really scale. According to his image he has 32k DPS right in the stat screen. I guess I'll try to buy a Doryani sceptre once I save up enough currency. The Voidbringer gloves is definitely out of my budget for a while at least. I've been mostly trading all my yellow jewelry for the 2 chaos orbs. I'll take a look on poe.trade to see if I can find some +spell dmg/+spell crit jewelry that also have elemental resists.

The strangeness of the Increased Critical Damage gem is that Critical Strikes are very much known for their snowballyness. You really need both chance and multiplier to get the most out of crit.

That said, the calculations I made above were slightly off, especially now that I've found the screenshot with 30816.5 dps instead of the one with ~74k, but I plugged them back in and the results were actually pretty similar. Go figure.

I don't understand which those numbers have to do with each other ^^
Looks like a weird calculation, maybe next time upload a google sheet

but yeah
lvl17 Arc: 287dmg/hit
lvl20: 382dmg/hit => 33% More as mentioned

and the formula should be:
(1-Crit Chance)*b + b * CC * CM

But the Build you're using is shit in general, not enough Life, stupid point investment and stupid links

If you get Power Charges, you need a way to sustain them
Red Mana - Herald of Thunder - Curse on Hit - Assasins Mark is a way
or the PCoC Support Gem (Replace Faster Casting for example, but you need quality on it)
with 5 Power Charges you get 250% inc CC, which is like 12,5%

You don't have enough Crit from Tree, if you want to go Path of Spell Crit...

(1-0,309)*b + b * 0,309 * 2,5 = 1,45b

so you would get 45% more by using the HoT Set Up, with the 33% of a lvl20 Arc we would reach 92% More!
and now the 6th Link which would give ~50% more... would end up with 189% More... so 8,5k would be 24,5k ;)

^ I'm not using power charges. Arc-Lightning penetration-faster casting-spell echo-life leech. I don't remember but at the time when you wrote that post I might have socketed in PCoC by accident.

I now have MORE crit nodes than the guide, almost identical crit modifiers on equipment, and the only thing I'm missing is 1 Doryani sceptre (using 1 instead of 2) and 1 added lightning damage gem (using 5L instead of 6L), and my DPS is still around 12k. Obviously there's no way 1 extra Doryani will boost my DPS by 20k because by swapping Doryani with another sceptre, my DPS only dropped by a bit more than 1k. There's definitely something fishy about a 32k tooltip DPS arc.

Conclusion: 32k DPS arc is either impossible or can't be achieved by gear/passive tree in that guide so either the author is using completely different gear or that number is fake. -_-

sry but I gave you the answers you needed, you're not listing, enjoy the grind

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Ceratoidei a écrit :

sry but I gave you the answers you needed, you're not listing, enjoy the grind.

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AllSunsDawn a écrit :

"Wow I have gear that isn't close to op's, Quality Gems, nor a 6L! His numbers must be lies xDDDDDDD"

Come on.

Did you two even read what I posted? Especially about the part with my gear and tree updated? Guess not. Honestly it seems these kinds of posts are troll magnets. As for Ceratoidei again thanks for your calculations but note that last post is almost 2 weeks after your post, I obviously updated my gear and tree after that, otherwise why would I respond 2 weeks later?

Tell me what else is different from my gear than his gear?? I compared every single item and the most differences did not have anything to do with DPS (HP, resistances, mana, etc).
Fyi, most my gems are level 19 now not 17, same as his. Having quality % on arc does not improve DPS. Having global crit % (i.e., his Voidbringer) does not improve DPS. Having quality % on life leech does not improve DPS (duh?).

Let me list it again in case it's too hard to read my post. Our trees are nearly identical, except I actually have MORE crit nodes and 1 extra spell dmg node now that I noticed. The only differences that I see from the listed gear in that guide vs mine:
- Missing a 20% quality level 20 increased crit damage gem. Yes I admit this will boost DPS a lot but 20k? Um no
- Missing 1 Doryani
- 15% lower spell dmg roll on amulet. One 12% spell dmg node on the tree boosts my dps by 500 at most

You're telling me those 3 will boost my DPS by 20k? Please.

Like I said it might be possible to achieve 32k DPS but definitely not with the gear the author listed, which is a bit annoying for people following his guide.